Is Lee DeForrest coach of the year in the 12th?

[gchs_uk9]

Don Irvine has done a great job at Burgin this season considering his leading scorer transfered to Mercer before the season started.

 

Don Irvine has done a nice job. They have a really nice record. In my opinion, they are one player away from really being good, and of course that one player went to Mercer.

[gchs_uk9]

Hammonds, West Jessimine

 

His name never gets mentioned, but West is always good. He's a heck of a coach.

[gchs_uk9]

But since this award is voted on before post season, I think you have to beat the best to be the best. Lincoln County didn't do that in either season, even as the favored team.

 

You're right. My previous post was simply stating that you could make difficult arguments about both coaches/teams.

[LCPATS]

But since this award is voted on before post season, I think you have to beat the best to be the best. Lincoln County didn't do that in either season, even as the favored team.

 

Wait a minute, "beat the best to be the best". It is obvious, by playing in Rupp two straight years, that LC has been the best team in the region. Yeah, McCreary won the head to head. VMI beat UK, is VMI a better team?

 

McCreary has won a lot of games against a weak schedule the past few seasons (they've played a better schedule this year-with different results), and have never even made it to the regional tournament. I don't care when they vote on it, you should NEVER be picked as the coach of year, when you have the best player and don't even make the tournament.

[LCPATS]

Over the last two seasons McCreary Central has lost seven regular season games to regional opponents while Lincoln County has lost three. In 2007, McCreary Central fell to West Jessamine, Southwestern, Somerset and twice to Wayne County. In 2008, the Raiders lost to West Jessamine and Rockcastle County. In 2007, Lincoln County fell to Boyle County and McCreary Central, while losing only to McCreary Central in 2008.

 

So realistically, you could argue that Lincoln County has been the better regular season and postseason team in the 12th Region over the last two years. The only counter-argument is that McCreary Central beat Lincoln County twice without losing to the Patriots.

 

:laugh:

 

That, along with WINNING the 12th regin championship, is all you need to know about how they pick Coach of the Year. :popcorn:

[SouthernSportsFan]

Wait a minute, "beat the best to be the best". It is obvious, by playing in Rupp two straight years, that LC has been the best team in the region. Yeah, McCreary won the head to head. VMI beat UK, is VMI a better team?

 

McCreary has won a lot of games against a weak schedule the past few seasons (they've played a better schedule this year-with different results), and have never even made it to the regional tournament. I don't care when they vote on it, you should NEVER be picked as the coach of year, when you have the best player and don't even make the tournament.

 

You are completely contradicting yourself. I agree that the award shouldn't be voted on prior to the tournament, but it is. And when you do it that way, you have no idea who is going to choke in the districts and who isn't. You base it on who did the best job during the regular season. And you can't argue that McCreary hasn't been on the top of their game during that time period.

[gchs_uk9]

And you can't argue that McCreary hasn't been on the top of their game during that time period.

 

But you can argue that Lincoln has been better. Let's break it down...

 

2006-07

Lincoln County: 20-8 regular season; three region losses; lost to McCreary

McCreary Central: 20-7 regular season; five region losses; beat Lincoln

 

2007-08

Lincoln County: 22-5 regular season; one region loss; lost to McCreary

McCreary Central: 24-4 regular season; two region losses; beat Lincoln

 

Now if you look at it, the regular season records are basically dead even. McCreary has a slightly better percentage, but you can't argue that Lincoln didn't play a tougher schedule.

 

The number of region losses favors Lincoln (4 vs. 7). Of course two of the four for Lincoln came from McCreary, which means they only lost two other times. McCreary, on the other hand, lost seven times to regional opponents over the last two years.

 

Finally, the only card McCreary is holding is their two regular season wins over Lincoln during the regular season. And yes, that does make a compelling argument. But there are seven other teams that can argue that they knocked off McCreary during the regular season. Does that make them the better team? West Jessamine beat McCreary the last two years. Because of that, when you look at all of the numbers, I think you have to give the slight edge to Lincoln County.

[SouthernSportsFan]

But you can argue that Lincoln has been better. Let's break it down...

 

2006-07

Lincoln County: 20-8 regular season; three region losses; lost to McCreary

McCreary Central: 20-7 regular season; five region losses; beat Lincoln

 

2007-08

Lincoln County: 22-5 regular season; one region loss; lost to McCreary

McCreary Central: 24-4 regular season; two region losses; beat Lincoln

 

Now if you look at it, the regular season records are basically dead even. McCreary has a slightly better percentage, but you can't argue that Lincoln didn't play a tougher schedule.

 

The number of region losses favors Lincoln (4 vs. 7). Of course two of the four for Lincoln came from McCreary, which means they only lost two other times. McCreary, on the other hand, lost seven times to regional opponents over the last two years.

 

Finally, the only card McCreary is holding is their two regular season wins over Lincoln during the regular season. And yes, that does make a compelling argument. But there are seven other teams that can argue that they knocked off McCreary during the regular season. Does that make them the better team? West Jessamine beat McCreary the last two years. Because of that, when you look at all of the numbers, I think you have to give the slight edge to Lincoln County.

 

Ok, let's put this into context in the bigger picture.

 

What was Lincoln ranked the past two years? Then what was McCreary ranked?

 

Number one. So in essence, McCreary overachieved.

 

What was Tennessee ranked last season? Then what was Kentucky ranked?

 

Number one. So in essence, Kentucky overachieved.

 

Lincoln was suppose to win their games. McCreary, although ranked high, wasn't predicted to do what they did.

 

I think the award should be voted on after the season, believe you me. But when you put it together, which looks more impressive based on how they were predicted before the season? If you don't think McCreary's is more impressive, or even the most impressive, then I don't have time to debate with you.

 

But I look at it this way: it is the KABC Region Coach of the year. That is voted on by the coaches (Kentucky Assocation of Basketball Coaches). And since they are coaching the teams that McCreary and/or Lincoln are playing, I will take their word for it.

[SouthernSportsFan]

But the past is the past.

 

Based on how it is voted on, Lee DeForrest should, and most likely will, win the award and that's the way it should be.

[LCPATS]

You are completely contradicting yourself. I agree that the award shouldn't be voted on prior to the tournament, but it is. And when you do it that way, you have no idea who is going to choke in the districts and who isn't. You base it on who did the best job during the regular season. And you can't argue that McCreary hasn't been on the top of their game during that time period.

 

Aside from the head to head, using the data provided by GCHS, LC was obvioulsy better. They had less losses within region and MOST importantly they WON the region.

 

End of story...:isurrender:

[SouthernSportsFan]

Aside from the head to head, using the data provided by GCHS, LC was obvioulsy better. They had less losses within region and MOST importantly they WON the region.

 

End of story...:isurrender:

 

End of story, true.

 

But as stated many times already, the coach of the year award is voted before then. And by the looks of things, the coaches believed Jones was better that Jackson.

 

Facts are facts. Whether it's true or not that he was the best coach, it doesn't matter.

[ebayer]

Lets all agree to disagree.

 

Jones was the best coach per the coaches vote prior to the post season. PERIOD.

 

Then the post season came and the best coach with the best team made it to Rupp Arena for the state tournament... Jackson / Lincoln PERIOD.

 

while Jones and the boys stayed home without being able to win a post season game in their district, while being the favorite, 2 years in a row. Great coaching.

[UnderPar]

It's easy to coach teams that have great players. I think you should look at some teams that don't have the talent of the top tier teams but still win 12-14 games. That is good coaching!

[coachi]

KABC voting is by all the coaches in the school who have paid their dues, not just head coaches. Its like letting everyone with a coaches card in a school system vote. A staff of 20 people who belong to KABC can vastly outvote a school with 3 coaches who belong.

[ebayer]

KABC voting is by all the coaches in the school who have paid their dues, not just head coaches. Its like letting everyone with a coaches card in a school system vote. A staff of 20 people who belong to KABC can vastly outvote a school with 3 coaches who belong.

 

:laugh:

That explains a lot!