I touched on the "women at the tomb" but people just read over my comments. "See I saw the tape". I'll keep trying.

 

Glad to see Mary and the women at the tomb, and yes Jesus told Mary to find the disciples and tell them, but does this give her authority to lead a service?

 

I belong to a Southern Baptist Church, but I'm a Christians first and foremost. There are no Baptists in heaven. There are no Blacks/Whites in heaven.

 

Glad to see Mary and the women at the tomb, and yes Jesus told Mary to find the disciples and tell them, but does this give her authority to lead a service?

 

 

 

Well, as the primary Christian message is that Jesus died for them, and then rose again, wouldn't the directive to Mary to find the disciples and give them the message not be the authority? Isn't it basically what ministers are called to do?

I consider Deacon a leadership position and Phoebe was an honest-to-goodness-right-there-in-scripture-using-the-original-language deacon. I started a thread about it and have heard no rebuttal.

 

I would be interested in hearing AL and LBBC's take on how they get around Phoebe, since we are all Southern Baptists.

Leadership position is like the Apostles position where they make decisions that affect the church long term and focus on the vision and direction of the church.

 

That is different than a deacon or serving position that might teach, lead committee work, run the Outreach program, etc, etc.

Leadership position is like the Apostles position where they make decisions that affect the church long term and focus on the vision and direction of the church.

 

That is different than a deacon or serving position that might teach, lead committee work, run the Outreach program, etc, etc.

 

Call me "new age" or whatever you'd like, but I believe women can and should be able to do this.

Call me "new age" or whatever you'd like, but I believe women can and should be able to do this.

 

Does not matter what you or I think. Cause I think similar thoughts.

 

But Scripture indicates different and that is what Christians are to follow. Scripture, not what you and I think.

 

If I attend a church who would be willing to throw out Scripture and rather choose to side with what LBBC thinks. I personally would look for another church.:thumb: (I know many of you will be quick to agree.)

I mentioned earlier about all people having roles in the church. The "role " for Mary was to go tell the disciples that he had risen. I don't think she was called by Jesus to teach in the church. I could be wrong. Had she been trained to do so? It took Paul 3 years of training, Mary was with Jesus but scripture doesn't show much about her in this type of role.

 

Paul mentions helpmates in Phobe, Priscillia, Dorcas, Nympha. if they wasn't important they wouldn't be in the Bible and mentioned as helpers.

I mentioned earlier about all people having roles in the church. The "role " for Mary was to go tell the disciples that he had risen. I don't think she was called by Jesus to teach in the church. I could be wrong. Had she been trained to do so? It took Paul 3 years of training, Mary was with Jesus but scripture doesn't show much about her in this type of role.

 

Paul mentions helpmates in Phobe, Priscillia, Dorcas, Nympha. if they wasn't important they wouldn't be in the Bible and mentioned as helpers.

 

I think you begin to hit upon an important point. Somehow if you are not in leadership, your role is less important.

 

Nothing can be further from the truth. The nursery worker's role is as important as the guy who does the budget. The SS teacher's role is as important as the preacher's. The person who puts the juice in those little cups is as important as the person who does the baptism's. (BTW, that can be any Christian, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED to women.)

 

Somehow, the mindset has been taken that since I am not in leadership, I must be less of value.

 

ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE.

 

Christian or not, we are all equally important in Christ's eyes. And truth be told, the one who was not a Christian and became a Christian might be even more important.

 

Think of who got the party in the prodigal son story. The son who stayed home and did all he was supposed to do or the son who was lost and made his way back?

Does not matter what you or I think. Cause I think similar thoughts.

 

But Scripture indicates different and that is what Christians are to follow. Scripture, not what you and I think.

 

If I attend a church who would be willing to throw out Scripture and rather choose to side with what LBBC thinks. I personally would look for another church.:thumb: (I know many of you will be quick to agree.)

 

You've got that right!:lol:

But seriously, beliefs play a big role in everyone's religion. To me, I feel comfortable going to a church where I can "share" my beliefs with others and they can do the same thing. We don't have to agree with each other. That's what it's all about, sharing ideas/beliefs. Scripture is just that....things that someone has written down, like a history book.

You've got that right!:lol:

But seriously, beliefs play a big role in everyone's religion. To me, I feel comfortable going to a church where I can "share" my beliefs with others and they can do the same thing. We don't have to agree with each other. That's what it's all about, sharing ideas/beliefs. Scripture is just that....things that someone has written down, like a history book.

 

I disagree. It is more than that. It is God-breathed.

 

The history book that teaches on Washington and Lincoln is not God-breathed.

I disagree. It is more than that. It is God-breathed.

 

The history book that teaches on Washington and Lincoln is not God-breathed.

 

You are right, but how do we know that every single thing that happened in biblical time was recorded in scripture?

2nd Timothy 3:16...easy to remember with the 3/16.

You are right, but how do we know that every single thing that happened in biblical time was recorded in scripture?

 

We know for a FACT that it was not.

 

Cause Scripture tells us that not all of Jesus' miracles and actions are recorded in the NT and that if all he did was recorded, we would not have enough space to record it.

 

We have to have FAITH that God has sent us (God-breathed, remember) the instructions to ALL we need to know.

 

As humans, we mess it up rather frequently and have to muddle through our screwups to focus on what God really wanted to tell us.

2nd Timothy 3:16...easy to remember with the 3/16.

 

I'm not saying that all scripture in not "God-breathed." I simply suggesting that everything that happened was not recorded.

We know for a FACT that it was not.

 

Cause Scripture tells us that not all of Jesus' miracles and actions are recorded in the NT and that if all he did was recorded, we would not have enough space to record it.

 

We have to have FAITH that God has sent us (God-breathed, remember) the instructions to ALL we need to know.

 

As humans, we mess it up rather frequently and have to muddle through our screwups to focus on what God really wanted to tell us.

 

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So, women still can't serve as leaders in the church?