I think Francona proved today why he has two championship rings. Why didn't Baker bring in Cordero in the 10th? And why does he keep hitting Janish second? Great win today for the Sox and good to see Youk do well in front of the home crowd

 

 

I don't think one game proves why he has two championship rings. Do I think he's a good manager? Yes. But how do you justify saying today proved why he had two rings? I'd also like to know why Dusty didn't bring Cordero in. I don't really have a big problem batting Janish second. Who else are you going to put there..Votto? Then you have three left handers in a row. Phillips? Then who do you bat fourth?

I'm glad the Reds are batting Janish there this weekend. It means an 0-12 weekend against Red Sox pitching. Keep batting him there Dusty.

I assume its statistically possible for one pitcher to have 2 blown saves in one game, correct? After Papelbon blew the save and then the Sox scored 2 to go up in the 10th, I was wondering about this should the Reds have faced Papelbon in the bottom of the 10th and were fortunate enough to tie or win the game.

 

Possible?

I'm glad the Reds are batting Janish there this weekend. It means an 0-12 weekend against Red Sox pitching. Keep batting him there Dusty.

 

I never had the any indication that Dusty was a great manager in SF or Chicago and nothing I've seen this year has caused me to question my original thought.

I'm glad the Reds are batting Janish there this weekend. It means an 0-12 weekend against Red Sox pitching. Keep batting him there Dusty.

 

 

Exactly, you have no one else to put there or you would have suggested someone.

One more thing. I've never understood the mentality/strategy of letting a baserunner steal second (or third) late in a game when the defense is up by more than one run.

 

Can someone explain that to me?

I assume its statistically possible for one pitcher to have 2 blown saves in one game, correct? After Papelbon blew the save and then the Sox scored 2 to go up in the 10th, I was wondering about this should the Reds have faced Papelbon in the bottom of the 10th and were fortunate enough to tie or win the game.

 

Possible?

 

No, a save can only be awarded if:

 

1. He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his team

2. He is not the winning pitcher

3. He is credited with at least ⅓ of an inning pitched

4. He satisfies one of the following conditions:

1. He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning

2. He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, at bat or on deck

3. He pitches for at least three innings

If the pitcher surrenders the lead at any point, he cannot get a save, but he may be credited as the winning pitcher if his team comes back to win (a so-called vulture win). No more than one save may be credited in each game.

 

Also:

 

Once a pitcher blows a save, he is no longer eligible to earn a save in that game (since the lead that he was trying to "save" has disappeared), although he can earn a win if his team regains the lead. For this reason, most closers' records include a few wins. Closers make the majority of their appearances with their team ahead, so a loss usually includes a blown save.

One more thing. Can someone explain the logic of letting a runner steal second (or third) in the last inning when the defense is up by more than one run? Its illogical at best.

Encarnacion would be a better choice. Sure, he may strike out some but so does Janish.

 

Bruce

Encarnacion

Griffey

Phillips

Dunn

Votto

Bako

Janish

pitcher

One more thing. I've never understood the mentality/strategy of letting a baserunner steal second (or third) late in a game when the defense is up by more than one run.

 

Can someone explain that to me?

 

If you team is down 2 late in the game and there is a guy on first then they are probably not holding him on. Meaning you can get as big of a lead as you want and can easily take second, which takes away an easy force out.

Encarnacion would be a better choice. Sure, he may strike out some but so does Janish.

 

Bruce

Encarnacion

Griffey

Phillips

Dunn

Votto

Bako

Janish

pitcher

 

The day E5 hits in the 2 hole is the day I stop watching Reds baseball. Phillips would be a much better choice than Edwin. Thats just funny.

The day E5 hits in the 2 hole is the day I stop watching Reds baseball.

 

Can't be any worse than batting Patterson lead off

Also:

 

Once a pitcher blows a save, he is no longer eligible to earn a save in that game (since the lead that he was trying to "save" has disappeared), although he can earn a win if his team regains the lead. For this reason, most closers' records include a few wins. Closers make the majority of their appearances with their team ahead, so a loss usually includes a blown save.

 

So what do you call the following:

 

closer comes in and blows the lead (blown save). Top of next inning his team goes up. Bottom of that same inning, he allows the team to once again tie it up.

 

He doesn't get a loss since it was only tied. Is it simply ignored? Is it a blown save to the team but not the pitcher?

 

I'm going to have to find some rulings on this.

One more thing. I've never understood the mentality/strategy of letting a baserunner steal second (or third) late in a game when the defense is up by more than one run.

 

Can someone explain that to me?

 

The reasoning behind that is this: The runner on base does not matter (this is usually only done in the 9th inning). Even if their run scores the team at bat still has to score more runs. If the team in the field holds the runner on to prevent the steal it gives the team at bat more "holes" in the infield. Since the runner on base isn't the tying run there is no point in allowing more runners to reach base by allowing a batter to hit the ball into a hole vactated by a player covering 2nd or a hole created by the firstbaseman holding him on. You try to keep the tying run off base.

Can't be any worse than batting Patterson lead off

 

 

 

:thumb: That's actually a good point. I hope I never have to see that again either.