The oceans are cooling and there has been no warming for the past 10 years. NASA now says that the atmosphere is probably entering a global cooling phase that will last 20 to 30 years. April was the coolest April in the US in 11 years, with an average temperature a full degree lower than the average April temperature for the past century. I guess we differ in our opinion of whose head is in the sand - it depends on one's perspective I guess. You may be willing to close your eyes to the fact that the gloom and doom models have failed to predict recent global temperatures, but I am not.

 

People are starving because of the government's push of ethanol as an alternative fuel. The increased cost of corn and related animal products is nothing compared to the toll in human suffering that will result if we jump blindly onto the Al Gore global warming bandwagon. Gore and his associates are nothing but modern snake oil salesmen.

 

Why are liberals so eager to blindly do the bidding of rich white men like Al Gore and Geoge Soros, while demonizing oil companies for making a modest 10% after tax profit?

 

 

You are one who pointed out in a recent thread that people in the US are not starving. Now you say people are starving to shore up an argument that our attempts to explore alternative fuels??? Spare me your indignation of political doublespeak. :lol:

 

Liberals are not the only faction concerned with the future of the earth, and what future generations will have to deal with. Maybe the evidence isn't conclusive, but the theories and evidence are enough to spark concern in a good many Americans, including moderates and conservatives.

 

As to your last question, why are so many "conservatives" so willing to consider the possibilites of global warming? Could it be that they've have a vested interest in the oil companies doing well? To me, that's selling out future generations to line their own pockets.

You are one who pointed out in a recent thread that people in the US are not starving. Now you say people are starving to shore up an argument that our attempts to explore alternative fuels??? Spare me your indignation of political doublespeak. :lol:

Check your facts, please. I never limited my statements to this country. The cost of Mexican tortillas and corn products in other parts of the world have soared because American corn surpluses have disappeared and driven prices up around the world.

 

Liberals are not the only faction concerned with the future of the earth, and what future generations will have to deal with. Maybe the evidence isn't conclusive, but the theories and evidence are enough to spark concern in a good many Americans, including moderates and conservatives.

Concern is fine. Research is fine. Embarking upon an expensive program of climate change prevention because of a media blitz aimed at creating a "scientific consensus" among layman is just plain stupid.

 

As to your last question, why are so many "conservatives" so willing to consider the possibilites of global warming? Could it be that they've have a vested interest in the oil companies doing well? To me, that's selling out future generations to line their own pockets.

Conservatives believe that capitalism is the foundation of our economy and that prosperous corporations benefit all Americans. Would you prefer seeing American companies losing money every quarter? Record corporate profits used to be (correctly) reported as good news.

 

The government does not create wealth and politicians cannot "fix" the economy. Tens of millions of Americans do have a vested interest in American oil companies doing well and their is no shame in owning stock in those companies.

 

Al Gore ridicules, bullies and defames honest scientists whose theories do not support his own crackpot public statements. People like Gore who are attempting to cut climate research short (by declaring man made global warming settled science) are the ones who are selling out our future generations for personal profit.

 

Al Gore's "carbon footprint" is easily ten time larger than the average American's and I refuse to believe that the $300 million media campaign that he announced is for any other purpose than to enrich his family, his friends, and himself. If Gore was the saint that liberals make him out to be, he would not be charging more than $100,000 an hour to spread his message and he would not be so busy creating investment vehicles to cash in on the global warming scare that he is actively creating.

I thought this thread was about McCain? I mentioned nothing at all about Al Gore. As has been stated before, Al Gore is not the only person who believes in global warming. Nor are those who do limited to the label liberal.

 

No one is calling Gore a saint. However, many are open-minded enough to realize that one doesn't have to be poverty stricken to be concerned about environmental issues.

 

As to the price of American corn on Mexican tortillas, I honestly can't comment. I haven't bought any totillias in Mexico recently. Generally, I buy mine in an American grocery store, where they've arrived via an American distributor, via an American transporter. Like all food stuffs, they've risen in price, but not outrageously so. Frankly, the rise in prices could be attributed to the cost of the fuel being added into the price. So, we've come full circle....back to the cost of oil. And, let anyone decry the profits of the oil companies and thier stockholders, and some will protest that it's shining example of capitalism.

Rockmom, there's no use in trying to stop the Al Gore talk. Gore will be mentioned in any thread concerning global warning, at least 10 times. :lol:

Rockmom, there's no use in trying to stop the Al Gore talk. Gore will be mentioned in any thread concerning global warning, at least 10 times. :lol:

 

God love him. :lol:

God love him. :lol:

 

God may, but there are a few people here who obviously hate him! :lol:

God may, but there are a few people here who obviously hate him! :lol:

 

 

I think he'll survive it. :lol:

I thought this thread was about McCain? I mentioned nothing at all about Al Gore. As has been stated before, Al Gore is not the only person who believes in global warming. Nor are those who do limited to the label liberal.

 

No one is calling Gore a saint. However, many are open-minded enough to realize that one doesn't have to be poverty stricken to be concerned about environmental issues.

 

As to the price of American corn on Mexican tortillas, I honestly can't comment. I haven't bought any totillias in Mexico recently. Generally, I buy mine in an American grocery store, where they've arrived via an American distributor, via an American transporter. Like all food stuffs, they've risen in price, but not outrageously so. Frankly, the rise in prices could be attributed to the cost of the fuel being added into the price. So, we've come full circle....back to the cost of oil. And, let anyone decry the profits of the oil companies and thier stockholders, and some will protest that it's shining example of capitalism.

Not to pick nits, but you also mentioned nothing about McCain in your post. The rise in food prices caused in large measure by rising corn prices that are the result of ethanol production has been pretty well documented. If you want to dispute that fact, I can start a new thread. My point is, there is a real cost to acting on global warming if we are either 1) powerless to mitigate it or 2) global warming is not actually occurring.

 

Any shift from cheap energy to more expensive energy will cause some economic pain and human suffering. I seriously doubt that John McCain believes in the man made global warming theory and I am certain that he understands the high human cost of acting without good cause. He is just another politician chasing public opinion.

As I mentioned in a previous thread, there is nothing any politician does that is devoid of political forethought. McCain is playing to the moderates and environmentalists. And why shouldn't he? He'd be stupid not to. If he has genuine concern for the environment and is concerned about global warming , I commend him.

 

As for Gore, he said he invented the internet. I guess many conservatives feel he invented global warming as well.

 

I personally feel it is highly likely that we are creating significant environmental problems for future generations.

As I mentioned in a previous thread, there is nothing any politician does that is devoid of political forethought. McCain is playing to the moderates and environmentalists. And why shouldn't he? He'd be stupid not to. If he has genuine concern for the environment and is concerned about global warming , I commend him.

 

As for Gore, he said he invented the internet. I guess many conservatives feel he invented global warming as well.

I think most of us believe that the sun deserves that credit.

I personally feel it is highly likely that we are creating significant environmental problems for future generations.

I agree - I just do not agree that global warming is among those problems. We know that poisoning of the oceans and overfishing are real environmental problems. Every real environmental problem that we face has been overshadowed by the very shaky theory of manmade global warming theory.

 

Disposal of solid waste is another growing problem that deserves much more attention than it gets. We are burying recyclable products and using plastic for packaging for products where reusable glass containers or cardboard make much more sense. The mines of tomorrow may be today's city dumps.

Not to pick nits, but you also mentioned nothing about McCain in your post. The rise in food prices caused in large measure by rising corn prices that are the result of ethanol production has been pretty well documented. If you want to dispute that fact, I can start a new thread. My point is, there is a real cost to acting on global warming if we are either 1) powerless to mitigate it or 2) global warming is not actually occurring.

 

Any shift from cheap energy to more expensive energy will cause some economic pain and human suffering. I seriously doubt that John McCain believes in the man made global warming theory and I am certain that he understands the high human cost of acting without good cause. He is just another politician chasing public opinion.

 

 

The price of wheat flour is up as well. How is the price of corn causing the price of wheat flour? My point is that there the fact that we're exploring alternative fuels, specifically ethanol, is not relative to the issue of global warming.

 

Global warming is occurring. I don't need Al Gore to prove it to me, but I believe we do need our world leaders, including the future president of the US to acknowledge it. We must look beyond now, or twenty years from now. There are definite signs, yet many decide to ignore them because they're inconvenient, or making necessary changes will somehow "cost" them. That cost is not merely money. The "cost" includes changing one's lifestyle and focus on the future.

 

Americans have become focused on the thought that the only "safety" in the future is monetary. That the important thing in life is to not struggle financially. However, it has lead to a society of convenience. We want cheap food, cheap fuel, and to acquire "things". We've become much less concerned with our fellow man (including generations yet unborn). We think of the immediate, knowing that we won't be around to deal with the mess of the future.

 

We have become fat and lazy and greedy. We've abdicated responsibility, always pointing the finger to "the other guy". We've decided that just because other nations don't make changes, we have no responsibility to do so. Yet, we are "the most powerful nation in the world". That must be the prevelant thought in all matters, including protecting the planet. It's not just military might. We've already lost much ground in the educational front, with other nations surpassing us there. Yet, somehow, we've become complacent, willing to accept the status quo. Why is that?

 

I want leaders in this country that are willing to be bold, to make changes and to lead. That means supporting the efforts of those who are exploring new ideas, and those who are bringing to our attention the problems we face in the future if we don't come up with solutions. There are those who foresee the problems. There are those who work toward solutions. Then there are those who eschew any "out of the box" theory. Where would America be if Columbus hadn't convinced Queen Isabella that the notion that the world was round was worthy of exploration?

The problem is that there are too many politicians out there who simply don't want to follow someone from the opposite party. They will oppose all measures no matter how beneficial to the country they might be. I can't see that changing anytime soon as it is imbedded at both the state and federal level.

The price of wheat flour is up as well. How is the price of corn causing the price of wheat flour?

Because a lot of farmers are switching from wheat to corn.

The price of wheat flour is up as well. How is the price of corn causing the price of wheat flour? My point is that there the fact that we're exploring alternative fuels, specifically ethanol, is not relative to the issue of global warming.

 

Global warming is occurring. I don't need Al Gore to prove it to me, but I believe we do need our world leaders, including the future president of the US to acknowledge it. We must look beyond now, or twenty years from now. There are definite signs, yet many decide to ignore them because they're inconvenient, or making necessary changes will somehow "cost" them. That cost is not merely money. The "cost" includes changing one's lifestyle and focus on the future.

 

Americans have become focused on the thought that the only "safety" in the future is monetary. That the important thing in life is to not struggle financially. However, it has lead to a society of convenience. We want cheap food, cheap fuel, and to acquire "things". We've become much less concerned with our fellow man (including generations yet unborn). We think of the immediate, knowing that we won't be around to deal with the mess of the future.

 

We have become fat and lazy and greedy. We've abdicated responsibility, always pointing the finger to "the other guy". We've decided that just because other nations don't make changes, we have no responsibility to do so. Yet, we are "the most powerful nation in the world". That must be the prevelant thought in all matters, including protecting the planet. It's not just military might. We've already lost much ground in the educational front, with other nations surpassing us there. Yet, somehow, we've become complacent, willing to accept the status quo. Why is that?

 

I want leaders in this country that are willing to be bold, to make changes and to lead. That means supporting the efforts of those who are exploring new ideas, and those who are bringing to our attention the problems we face in the future if we don't come up with solutions. There are those who foresee the problems. There are those who work toward solutions. Then there are those who eschew any "out of the box" theory. Where would America be if Columbus hadn't convinced Queen Isabella that the notion that the world was round was worthy of exploration?

The way that our society has evolved, very few people raise enough of their own food to feed themselves and their families - therefore the cost of food is very relevant not only to the quality of life in this country but to survival. If food costs soar because environmentalists and farmers continue to push ethanol production, the people who will suffer most are the poorest among us.

 

The same goes for the trillions of dollars that people like Al Gore and John McCain would take out of the private sector and place into government programs and subsidized private programs to mitigate global warming, which your opinion not withstanding, has not been proven to exist.

 

The law of unintended consequences will mete out punishment for all if the global warming zealots get their way.

 

BTW, the price of rice, wheat, etc. have risen in part because consumers have switched from corn to cheaper grain products, which has driven the cost of those commodities up as well.

See link for a humorous spin...

 

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