So is the Clinton campain holding out for a re-vote in those states?

So is the Clinton campain holding out for a re-vote in those states?

 

The Clinton campaign wants them seated as-is. That's the biggest benefit.

 

A re-vote is off the table, at this point. Too much money honey.

 

Obama has suggested that they be seated 50-50.

 

I think that what's likely to happen is that until the SD's decide (either two weeks from now, June, or at the convention) the Florida and Michigan delegates will be sitting out in the hall. The only time they'll be seated is during the symbolic, everyone in the room votes for the nominee unity vote.

The thing is, neither electors nor delegates have a legal obligation to vote the way the popular vote went. Its only happened a couple of times.

The thing is, neither electors nor delegates have a legal obligation to vote the way the popular vote went. Its only happened a couple of times.

But in some states, they have to sign pledges. And the language was informally judged enforceable by some legal scholars. Slate had a story on it.

If Fla and Mich are brought back and Clinton gets the popular vote then she would have to have Obama as a VP. It would be like Kennedy/Johnson, Regan/Bush, etc. in a long line of people who don't really like each other running on the same ticket. If Fla and Mich have a do-over and Clinton wins then good for her, I can support that. As it stands now they shouldn't be seated.

 

I think Obama as Hillary's VP would seriously damage his future chances at becoming president. It she pulls it out somehow he should just go back to the senate and wait 4 years.

Speaking of Slate, here's the latest from the delegate calculator:

 

Hillary Clinton's 10-point victory in Pennsylvania awards her a net gain of about 16 pledged delegates, based on projections from the popular vote. Because Pennsylvania awards about two-thirds of its delegates by district, we won't have a precise figure until later this week.

 

Coming into today, the odds that Clinton would catch Obama in pledged delegates were very small. Now they're zero. Before Pennsylvania, Clinton needed to win each remaining primary with 65 percent of the vote to close the gap. Even though she won Pennsylvania, that figure is now just over 68 percent. (Try it on the calculator below by dragging the red bar at the top to the right.) Furthermore, the state with the most remaining delegates is North Carolina, where Obama leads in the polls by about 20 points. Assuming he nets at least 20 more of the state's 115 delegates, Clinton needs 80 percent of the vote in each of the other eight remaining primaries to catch up.

 

Obviously, this is not going to happen. Instead, let's look at a rosy but vaguely realistic scenario for Clinton: Let's say she whittles Obama's lead in North Carolina down to 10 points and grabs a 10-point victory in every other state. This would leave her behind by 132 pledged delegates, give or take a few, depending on how the cards fall in Pennsylvania. This means Obama would need 342 of 794 total superdelegates to reach the majority needed for the nomination. According to DemConWatch, 231 have already promised their support to Obama, so he would need 111 more supporters from the pool of 308 superdelegates that remain uncommitted—36 percent. Put another way, Clinton would still need to convince 64 percent of uncommitted superdelegates to go her way, even in this generous scenario.

I think Obama as Hillary's VP would seriously damage his future chances at becoming president. It she pulls it out somehow he should just go back to the senate and wait 4 years.

The dream ticket won't happen. Obama wants no part of VP for Hillary (even though I think she'd be forced to offer it to him if she won, she wouldn't be thrilled either) and at this point it's still crazy to suggest it, considering he's in front with a pretty insurmountable lead.

 

Hillary doesn't want it, and I doubt Obama wants to try and keep both Hillary and Bill on message for 4-8 years.

The dream ticket won't happen. Obama wants no part of VP for Hillary (even though I think she'd be forced to offer it to him if she won, she wouldn't be thrilled either) and at this point it's still crazy to suggest it, considering he's in front with a pretty insurmountable lead.

 

Hillary doesn't want it, and I doubt Obama wants to try and keep both Hillary and Bill on message for 4-8 years.

 

I could see Clinton accepting the VP job, then her and Bill could undermine Obama so that she could win the nomination in 2012.

Could this be 1976 all over again? The superdelegates throw out both Obama and Hillary and opt for a 3rd candidate. Could be the perfect opening for Al Gore.

Could this be 1976 all over again? The superdelegates throw out both Obama and Hillary and opt for a 3rd candidate. Could be the perfect opening for Al Gore.

 

 

That is interesting. Could Gore be a VP candidate for one or the other?

Could this be 1976 all over again? The superdelegates throw out both Obama and Hillary and opt for a 3rd candidate. Could be the perfect opening for Al Gore.

 

You have me at a loss historically speaking. What is the '76 campaign you are speaking of?

You have me at a loss historically speaking. What is the '76 campaign you are speaking of?

I was thinking that Carter didn't win the nomination through the primary process, but that's clearly wrong. However, Ronald Reagan did receive one electoral vote, even though he wasn't on the ballot.

The dream ticket won't happen. Obama wants no part of VP for Hillary (even though I think she'd be forced to offer it to him if she won, she wouldn't be thrilled either) and at this point it's still crazy to suggest it, considering he's in front with a pretty insurmountable lead.

 

Hillary doesn't want it, and I doubt Obama wants to try and keep both Hillary and Bill on message for 4-8 years.

 

I agree. IMO his political future is far brighter than hers no matter the outcome of these primaries. I do believe he will be the nominee and probably our next president.

Could this be 1976 all over again? The superdelegates throw out both Obama and Hillary and opt for a 3rd candidate. Could be the perfect opening for Al Gore.

 

This is the goal of "operation chaos".

This is the goal of "operation chaos".

 

 

I thought Maxwell Smart had destroyed them.

 

 

"Missed it by that much!