Exactly and that move could end up costing the Brewers a chance at the division title. I know "Coco" had an ERA just over 90 on the road last year, but you have to make him your closer over GAGne.

 

 

It wouldn't shock me to see Stetter get some Save chances in the near future.

You're averaging the full 10 seasons. He hasn't pitched in all 10 seasons because of injuries. If you look at his 162 game average when healthy, it averages out to 12-9, 227 Ks, and a 3.66 ERA. Ask any team if they would take a 12 game winner in their rotation or if they would consider them a solid contributor.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/woodke02.shtml

 

You're wrong. He has in fact pitched in each and every one of those 10 seasons. Your 162 game average is the useless stat because he has only managed to stay healthy enough to make at least 30 starts twice in those 10 seasons. The 162 game average is useless in a case like his because he can't stay in uniform for 162 games. It posts what his theoretical numbers would be if he were active for all 162 games. If we went on 162 game averages then Ken Griffey Jr. would have 800 homerun using his 40 per 162 game average but that isn't the case, it has to be done on the field and not in projections. Yeah, most teams would take a 12 game winner in their rotations but he hasn't been that. He's a player that has been healthy a little more than half of the time, and a huge disappointment--PERIOD.

You're wrong. He has in fact pitched in each and every one of those 10 seasons. Your 162 game average is the useless stat because he has only managed to stay healthy enough to make at least 30 starts twice in those 10 seasons. The 162 game average is useless in a case like his because he can't stay in uniform for 162 games. It posts what his theoretical numbers would be if he were active for all 162 games. If we went on 162 game averages then Ken Griffey Jr. would have 800 homerun using his 40 per 162 game average but that isn't the case, it has to be done on the field and not in projections. Yeah, most teams would take a 12 game winner in their rotations but he hasn't been that. He's a player that has been healthy a little more than half of the time, and a huge disappointment--PERIOD.

He didn't pitch at all in 1999. He pitched four games in 2006.

 

And your 162 game avgs for Junior are way off

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/griffke02.shtml

 

I'm not making these stats up. And I'm not getting them wrong either.

Something I forgot about, tonight was the Cubs 10,000 win as a franchise. Only other team to have at least 10,000 is the Giants.

 

:dancingpa

He didn't pitch at all in 1999. He pitched four games in 2006.

 

And your 162 game avgs for Junior are way off

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/griffke02.shtml

 

I'm not making these stats up. And I'm not getting them wrong either.

 

No, he didn't pitch at all in 1999. However, he did pitch in 1)1998 2)2000

3)2001 4)2002 5)2003 6)2004 7)2005 8)2006 9)2007 10)2008--I count 10 seasons. The 162 game average only counts seasons in which the player played. As for 2006, that is why your 162 game stats are worthless, his numbers from those 6 games are projected if he were on the roster for all 162 games--something he just can't do. They are theoretical and bogus. He hasn't averaged 12 wins per season because he could only stay healthy enough to average 7. As for Griffey I can look up Baseball-Reference too. Here's the link: Look at the 162 game averages It clearly shows that Griffey has averaged 40 homeruns per 162 games played. Look it up, I'll wait. . . . . See told ya.

 

For 162 games Griffey has averaged 40 homeruns so he would hit his 800th this season. 40 homeruns (on the bogus 162 game average) X 20 seasons= 800 homeruns. All that matters is what the players actually accomplish on the field, not on projections. Otherwise Paul Molitor would have retired 2nd on the all time hits list. :thumb:

 

Wood has been better than Prior but I think it is fair to say that both have been huge disappointments for Cubs fans and management. On that I think we can agree.

Wood and Prior are where they are in part because of the way they were used. The way Dusty Baker worked those guys in 2003 was ridiculous. That season, Baseball Prospectus' website had a regular feature on the top 10 pitchers in terms of "pitcher abuse points" ... a system one of their guys had developed to identify pitchers who were facing the possibility of arm problems because of overuse.

 

Wood and Prior were in the top five all season, and both came up lame within a year ... that was no coincidence. Even worse was that Wood was used that way after he had already undergone one major surgery and had a history of overuse, dating back to his high school days.

Pie = Patterson

I want to believe it's not true ... :lol:

Please don't say that:cry:

 

 

Patterson is the biggest disapointment for me on the Cubs over the past 10 years...

He has himself to blame as much as anyone. Patterson's approach at the plate never changed from swing-for-the-fences mode. I know a scout that saw him as a youngster and viewed him as "a little man with a big man's swing."

He has himself to blame as much as anyone. Patterson's approach at the plate never changed from swing-for-the-fences mode. I know a scout that saw him as a youngster and viewed him as "a little man with a big man's swing."

While Don Baylor wasn't a gifted manager, he was a good hitting coach. And Patterson refused to listen to him when he was first recalled, which didn't help his development. Dusty had the same issues in his first year. Steve Stone called him one of the most hard-headed players he had ever seen when it came to hitting tips.

While Don Baylor wasn't a gifted manager, he was a good hitting coach. And Patterson refused to listen to him when he was first recalled, which didn't help his development. Dusty had the same issues in his first year. Steve Stone called him one of the most hard-headed players he had ever seen when it came to hitting tips.

 

:thumb:

What I'm loving about this team is their patience at the plate. I think Fukudome's approach has rubbed off on some of them. I've seen more full counts this year from Cubs' hitters than I've seen in a while. I also agree about Johnson, what a great pick up he has been. I could not disagree more about Wood being a "disappointment." While certainly greater things were expected from him, he is a leader in the clubhouse and an absolute club favorite. He has been very loyal to the Cubs organization and a mentor to the younger guys. I think his contribution has been invaluable and that cannot be measured in wins and losses. And by the way, he WAS the winning pitcher last night!

 

Go Cubs Go!

Fukudome for rookie of the year!!