So, the consensus is that sin is sin? There are no sins more serious than others? Murder isn't worse than lying?

 

In the OT, there is a list of things the Lord detests, the only one mentioned twice is lying.

It would make no sense to think otherwise. I think God weighs every action differently, and in his own way.

 

I think it's funny to hear people put themselves before God by presuming to know how he judges -- or how he should judge.

 

I think it incidents that the Bible is clear, you can teach and educate what God expects but that is not judging. People want to say it is but it ain't.

 

For example, pretty clear that God doesn't like murder. If I tell a murderer that they need to ask God for forgiveness for the murder they have committed, am I judging them? Is it wrong for me to educate them that what they did was a sin to God and they need to ask for forgiveness? Or should I just let them stay in their ignorance of it, possibly never found out what they need to do on their own and then die without forgiveness for that sin and running the risk of burning in Hell for all of eternity.

So, you can commit murder, and live your whole life unrepentant, and repent out of fear of eternal dangation and it's as valid as someone who truely regrets their deed and works their whole life to regain God's grace?

 

At that point of your life, that is your best hope.

 

But I wouldn't want to run the risk of repenting out of fear is legit.

 

Jesus indicates that some will call on Him and say they did works for Him and he did not know them because basically their heart wasn't right.

 

And you cannot work your way to regain God's grace. Either you sincerely want it and ask for it or you don't.

 

I can't earn my way into Heaven. It has to be my heart and what I truly, truly believe and then put into action in my life.

Kind of....though what you are implying is that someone could sort of pull a fast one on God, and I don't see that......God would know if and why someone was repentent. If it was for the reason you stated above...I would imagine that's too bad....but someone like Jeffrey Dahmer, if he was on his death bed, and his heart finally came to the Lord, and it was full of sorrow and regret for what he did, because of it being a sin, I think they will be in.

:thumb::thumb:

 

As to what other people are saying......say you have two men. One of whom killed someone, the other one told a lie to their little brother about the Easter Bunny. Neither one repents their lone sin. Are they both going to hell, heaven, or what?

 

Either way, it is all speculation. I'd assume that God would look more lightly on the liar then the murderer.

 

I am not sure what inspired the Catholic Church to create a list of mortal sins, other than the bible verse that I cited earlier, and also because I know you aren't supposed to receive the Holy Eucharist when you have not confessed a mortal sin. I don't the Catholic Church is trying to put themselves before God by making a list. It is just a reminder to men of the grave nature of those actions...

I think it incidents that the Bible is clear, you can teach and educate what God expects but that is not judging. People want to say it is but it ain't.

 

For example, pretty clear that God doesn't like murder. If I tell a murderer that they need to ask God for forgiveness for the murder they have committed, am I judging them? Is it wrong for me to educate them that what they did was a sin to God and they need to ask for forgiveness? Or should I just let them stay in their ignorance of it, possibly never found out what they need to do on their own and then die without forgiveness for that sin and running the risk of burning in Hell for all of eternity.

You're a little confused. This isn't about YOU judging people. It's about God judging. And it's about presuming to know how God weighs his judgment. To me, that's pretty scary. :eek:

It has to be my heart and what I truly, truly believe and then put into action in my life.

Right. You have to have both faith and action. One without the other is the fast-track to the hot seat. Good Catholic teaching there. :thumb:

Right. You have to have both faith and action. One without the other is the fast-track to the hot seat. Good Catholic teaching there.

 

I would agree that actions come from what is in your heart but actions do not earn your way into heaven.

 

If they did, then no point for Jesus' sacrifice. It was a waste of His time and just let us go back to the OT method of sacrificing and earning our way into Heaven.

Either way, it is all speculation. I'd assume that God would look more lightly on the liar then the murderer.

Exactly. :thumb:

You're a little confused. This isn't about YOU judging people. It's about God judging. And it's about presuming to know how God weighs his judgment. To me, that's pretty scary. :eek:

 

Is it fair to look at the OT story of Sodom and Gomorha (sp?) and have a pretty good idea of what God thinks of sexual immorality?

 

Is it fair to look at the story of Cain and Abel and have a pretty good idea of what God thinks of murder?

 

Is it fair to look at the story of the thief on the cross and have a pretty good idea of what God thinks of mercy and grace?

 

Is it fair to look at the story of Jesus and have a pretty good idea of what he did for us?

 

Why is it that we can look at the positive things in Scripture and people agree that we should put others before ourselves and love our enemies as we love ourselves but we cannot do the same thing with the not so positive things in Scripture? Is it simply because those things don't make us feel all warm and fuzzy so it is easier to just say, we can't know?

 

Not arguing, but wondering.

I would agree that actions come from what is in your heart but actions do not earn your way into heaven.

 

If they did, then no point for Jesus' sacrifice.

Nope. Again, you're missing the point.

 

Either way, it is all speculation. I'd assume that God would look more lightly on the liar then the murderer.

 

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Exactly. :thumb:

 

Wouldn't the above be the below?

 

 

I think it's funny to hear people put themselves before God by presuming to know how he judges -- or how he should judge.

Nope. Again, you're missing the point.

 

What is the point, then?

Why is it that we can look at the positive things in Scripture and people agree that we should put others before ourselves and love our enemies as we love ourselves but we cannot do the same thing with the not so positive things in Scripture? Is it simply because those things don't make us feel all warm and fuzzy so it is easier to just say, we can't know?

 

Not arguing, but wondering.

You can't know. It's as simple as that.

Wouldn't this be putting yourself in the place of knowing how God is going to judge people? That liars are not as bad as murderers.

No, it's using a gift God gave us...common sense.

The 15th deadly sin would be a sequel to Seven with Brad Pitt