Why would He, if you choose to believe that all are forgiven the same?

Why would He, if you choose to believe that all are forgiven the same

 

 

So, if you commit cold blooded murder, God will forgive you the same as He'd forgive someone who hadn't?

It is my belief yes, murder is still murder, lying is still lying.

What makes a sin greater or worse than another sin?

Does the Bible put them in order? (I really don't know about that, or I have not seen nor studied it.)

Are all sins cleaned by the same sacrifice?

 

I think about it like this: if something is worth more than something else, it would cost more. For example, a 2008 Forerunner will cost more than a 2000 Forerunner. However, if something is worth the same it will cost the same, such as a 2000 forerunner and a 2000 forerunner.

 

Now since the "price" has not changed, therefore, everything must be worth the same

From my link above:

 

IV. The Gravity of Sin: Mortal and Venial Sin

1854 Sins are rightly evaluated according to their gravity. the distinction between mortal and venial sin, already evident in Scripture,¹²⁹ became part of the tradition of the Church. It is corroborated by human experience.

1855 Mortal sin destroys charity in the heart of man by a grave violation of God's law; it turns man away from God, who is his ultimate end and his beatitude, by preferring an inferior good to him.

Venial sin allows charity to subsist, even though it offends and wounds it.

1856 Mortal sin, by attacking the vital principle within us - that is, charity - necessitates a new initiative of God's mercy and a conversion of heart which is normally accomplished within the setting of the sacrament of reconciliation:

When the will sets itself upon something that is of its nature incompatible with the charity that orients man toward his ultimate end, then the sin is mortal by its very object . . . whether it contradicts the love of God, such as blasphemy or perjury, or the love of neighbor, such as homicide or adultery.... But when the sinner's will is set upon something that of its nature involves a disorder, but is not opposed to the love of God and neighbor, such as thoughtless chatter or immoderate laughter and the like, such sins are venial.¹³⁰

1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent."¹³¹

1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother."¹³² The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.

1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God's law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart¹³³ do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.

1860 Unintentional ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man. the promptings of feelings and passions can also diminish the voluntary and free character of the offense, as can external pressures or pathological disorders. Sin committed through malice, by deliberate choice of evil, is the gravest.

1861 Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God's forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ's kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God.

1862 One commits venial sin when, in a less serious matter, he does not observe the standard prescribed by the moral law, or when he disobeys the moral law in a grave matter, but without full knowledge or without complete consent.

1863 Venial sin weakens charity; it manifests a disordered affection for created goods; it impedes the soul's progress in the exercise of the virtues and the practice of the moral good; it merits temporal punishment. Deliberate and unrepented venial sin disposes us little by little to commit mortal sin. However venial sin does not set us in direct opposition to the will and friendship of God; it does not break the covenant with God. With God's grace it is humanly reparable. "Venial sin does not deprive the sinner of sanctifying grace, friendship with God, charity, and consequently eternal happiness."¹³⁴

While he is in the flesh, man cannot help but have at least some light sins. But do not despise these sins which we call "light": if you take them for light when you weigh them, tremble when you count them. A number of light objects makes a great mass; a number of drops fills a river; a number of grains makes a heap. What then is our hope? Above all, confession.¹³⁵

1864 "Whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin."¹³⁶ There are no limits to the mercy of God, but anyone who deliberately refuses to accept his mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit.¹³⁷ Such hardness of heart can lead to final impenitence and eternal loss.

So, if you commit cold blooded murder, God will forgive you the same as He'd forgive someone who hadn't?

 

I believe yes he would if you are repentent of your sin...

From my link above:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where is this in the Bible?

I believe yes he would if you are repentent of your sin...

 

 

So, you can commit murder, and live your whole life unrepentant, and repent out of fear of eternal dangation and it's as valid as someone who truely regrets their deed and works their whole life to regain God's grace?

Where is this in the Bible?

 

They're all based upon the 10 Commandments. As well, there are lists of sins throughout the New Testament. If you'd care to go to the site I linked, it has citations and examples.

So, you can commit murder, and live your whole life unrepentant, and repent out of fear of eternal dangation and it's as valid as someone who truely regrets their deed and works their whole life to regain God's grace?

 

Kind of....though what you are implying is that someone could sort of pull a fast one on God, and I don't see that......God would know if and why someone was repentent. If it was for the reason you stated above...I would imagine that's too bad....but someone like Jeffrey Dahmer, if he was on his death bed, and his heart finally came to the Lord, and it was full of sorrow and regret for what he did, because of it being a sin, I think they will be in.

You don't think God looks at murder differently than he does at, let's say, an ommission of truth?

It would make no sense to think otherwise. I think God weighs every action differently, and in his own way.

 

I think it's funny to hear people put themselves before God by presuming to know how he judges -- or how he should judge.

Good point Birdsfan

They're all based upon the 10 Commandments. As well, there are lists of sins throughout the New Testament. If you'd care to go to the site I linked, it has citations and examples.

 

I agree with this! But are they all paid by the same price?

Kind of....though what you are implying is that someone could sort of pull a fast one on God, and I don't see that......God would know if and why someone was repentent.

I think that's the point she's making.

I agree with this! But are they all paid by the same price?

No matter what people glean from the pages of the Bible, I don't believe we can truly know until that day comes. All we can do is live the least sinful life that we can.