The winners are all the kids, both private and public, period.

 

You are right they are winners but I pull for non-private schools because I think they have it the hardest and must in most cases play the hand they are dealt.

What does "clean" mean?

 

Does it mean that the students who are attracted to that school aren't big time athletes? Does it mean that if some stud wanted a bishop brossart education they would be "unclean"? Especially if that stud athlete helped them win a tournament or two.

 

I'm guessing he means they attract kids from their feeder schools in the case of Brossart, as do unfortunately other area schools as well??

I'll say this . . . OJ Mayo. Based on a quote recently discussed on this board, it sure doesn't appear that he attended a private school for the education.

I'll say this . . . OJ Mayo. Based on a quote recently discussed on this board, it sure doesn't appear that he attended a private school for the education.

 

He'll be hiring an agent soon, and make more $$'s in the next few years, than most make in a lifetime so I wouldn't be too hard on him??

What does "clean" mean?

 

Does it mean that the students who are attracted to that school aren't big time athletes? Does it mean that if some stud wanted a bishop brossart education they would be "unclean"? Especially if that stud athlete helped them win a tournament or two.

Clean means getting all of your student/athletes from the feeder grade schools (just like a public school) that comprise your assigned district.

 

I, as an individual, made a valid observation on UHA. Their reputation was spawned back in the days when they brought in foreign athletes to fill their rolls. I asked whether the graduation of Hopson, Brown, and Edmondson might signal the onset of UHA becoming a typical small Class A school and shed their reputation as the University Heights "Basketball" Academy. The fact that they haven't won a Sweet Sixteen State Tournament in 14 years still is one more than the combined total of all of the other "A" teams in the state have won since 1976 when Edmonson County won - if indeed they were a Class "A" school.

Great tournament, they showed a highlight reel at the end of the championship game on TV, does anyone know where you can get highlights of the games or copies of the games. I would love to see the Rose Hill games?

Great tournament, they showed a highlight reel at the end of the championship game on TV, does anyone know where you can get highlights of the games or copies of the games. I would love to see the Rose Hill games?

 

I think the "feed" of those games is WKYT (?) out of Lexington? That might be a place to start, but someone else can maybe help you further? ICN (Insight Cable) channel 6 in NKY does a highlight show for the "A" as well.

I think the "feed" of those games is WKYT (?) out of Lexington? That might be a place to start, but someone else can maybe help you further? ICN (Insight Cable) channel 6 in NKY does a highlight show for the "A" as well.

WYMT - Hazard is actually the production station for the "A" Championship games.

 

The audio of the other games was broadcast over the internet, but there is no video of Rose Hill games.

You are right they are winners but I pull for non-private schools because I think they have it the hardest and must in most cases play the hand they are dealt.

 

Let's put having it the hardest into perspect about what really matters. If anyone saw the LCA/Bishop Brossert game what you saw at the beginning was a little boy from LCA's 5/6 grade teams whose father died a few weeks ago, standing on the court jumping as high as he could to bump chest with the "big boys" as they were introduced, and Patrick Nevitt, who lost his senior season due to knee surgery and facing a second surgery, getting in with one minute left in the game, when all was decided. So those starting and ending images is what this is all about, not the game of basketball, but the challenges dealt to young men in their lives, and for the moment enjoy the fun that is basketball. Too often we adults steal that joy from these young men, but some how they overcome these road blocks. Not trying to get heavy, but remember it is a game and whether it is a kid from public education or private education, lets appreciate what they do in life more that what they do on the basketball court. The All A is about appreciating the young men and women, who give it their all.

Let's put having it the hardest into perspect about what really matters. If anyone saw the LCA/Bishop Brossert game what you saw at the beginning was a little boy from LCA's 5/6 grade teams whose father died a few weeks ago, standing on the court jumping as high as he could to bump chest with the "big boys" as they were introduced, and Patrick Nevitt, who lost his senior season due to knee surgery and facing a second surgery, getting in with one minute left in the game, when all was decided. So those starting and ending images is what this is all about, not the game of basketball, but the challenges dealt to young men in their lives, and for the moment enjoy the fun that is basketball. Too often we adults steal that joy from these young men, but some how they overcome these road blocks. Not trying to get heavy, but remember it is a game and whether it is a kid from public education or private education, lets appreciate what they do in life more that what they do on the basketball court. The All A is about appreciating the young men and women, who give it their all.

 

To be accurate Nevitt got in for one SECOND not one Minute. He could not have contact with any players due to his knee, but did get to step onto the court for an ALL A game one last "second".

In the 30s, 40s, 50s small schools like Carr Creek, Cuba, Hazel Green, Harlan, Hazard, Hindman, Brooksville, Hindman, Brewers, Midway, and Inez won the state tourney. The Great King Kelly Coleman took Wayland to the semi-finals.

These are TRUE small schools. Their players were born, raised, and went to school in those tiny communities. They certainly didn't have any 6'8" kids from Australia and the thought never entered their mind on how to get one. Before I upset the private schools, let me say yes your kids are great and they represent your schools outstandingly in both athletics and academics, but you can't have kids coming from outside the county in which you are located and even from outside the state and call yourself a TRUE small school.

Elliott County is not going to have anybody wanting to move there because their is no reason to. They are only 6,000 residents and one of the lowest income and economically depressed counties in the state. Heck, most people outside the surrounding counties haven't been there and don't know where it is. You have to have a reason and want to get there of which most people don't have either one. Before I upset anyone from Elliott. I love you folks and find them to be good ole country folks who care for one another, treat one another with respect, and believe in Godly principles like honesty, kindness, love, hard work, truthfulness, and respect for one another. They may not be rich money wise, but they have a love of family & community that bonds them together and makes them very rich.

 

I am in my 50s and am from the old school. Sometimes I wish the rules and times were just like the 1950s. This modern day version of a small school has been diluted and is not what it was 50 years ago when we still had TRUE small schools that won championships and competed every year despite having a bunch of ole country boys from the farm that had never been outside the county and never seen a gym that would hold more than 500.

Just like society in general we have lost a lot over the last 40-50 years.

Talk to some of the old-timers (fans 70 to 80 years old) in these small communites and you will get a sense of the way it used to be!!!

In the 30s, 40s, 50s small schools like Carr Creek, Cuba, Hazel Green, Harlan, Hazard, Hindman, Brooksville, Hindman, Brewers, Midway, and Inez won the state tourney. The Great King Kelly Coleman took Wayland to the semi-finals.

These are TRUE small schools. Their players were born, raised, and went to school in those tiny communities. They certainly didn't have any 6'8" kids from Australia and the thought never entered their mind on how to get one. Before I upset the private schools, let me say yes your kids are great and they represent your schools outstandingly in both athletics and academics, but you can't have kids coming from outside the county in which you are located and even from outside the state and call yourself a TRUE small school.

Elliott County is not going to have anybody wanting to move there because their is no reason to. They are only 6,000 residents and one of the lowest income and economically depressed counties in the state. Heck, most people outside the surrounding counties haven't been there and don't know where it is. You have to have a reason and want to get there of which most people don't have either one. Before I upset anyone from Elliott. I love you folks and find them to be good ole country folks who care for one another, treat one another with respect, and believe in Godly principles like honesty, kindness, love, hard work, truthfulness, and respect for one another. They may not be rich money wise, but they have a love of family & community that bonds them together and makes them very rich.

 

I am in my 50s and am from the old school. Sometimes I wish the rules and times were just like the 1950s. This modern day version of a small school has been diluted and is not what it was 50 years ago when we still had TRUE small schools that won championships and competed every year despite having a bunch of ole country boys from the farm that had never been outside the county and never seen a gym that would hold more than 500.

Just like society in general we have lost a lot over the last 40-50 years.

Talk to some of the old-timers (fans 70 to 80 years old) in these small communites and you will get a sense of the way it used to be!!!

 

Well put, we have lost a lot.

Your right. Both Hopson and Edmondson's parents decided to spend six grand a year for four years so that their kids could win the All A just one time. Your right. Every single one of UHA's All A Championships are only because they "cheated" and "got" a better team. Your right. Hopson and Edmondson probably decided that they could get "easier" grades at a private school where I know for a fact it's a harder curriculum. Considering UHA has their own standard and every athelete must have atleast a 3.0 GPA in order to play sports. Your right. They decided to go to UHA and only have an Upper Class of 110 people (around 50 guys) to get their team out of instead of going to Christian County or Hoptown and having 1000 guys to get their team. Have you ever thought that maybe. And i'm just saying maybe. That your wrong and just upset a little? MAYBE. Their parents wanted them to have a good education.... Considering UHA has a 99% rate of their graduates going to college. MAYBE. That if it wasn't for the other players on the team that UHA would have lost in their All A region? Therefore meaning that yes, Hopson and Edmondson are VERY talented. But they are nothing without their team? Private schools are stricter on EVERYTHING. When I played basketball at UHA we ran ten suicides before each practice. One time a player missed a lay-up and the coach at the time (won't say any names) got upset and threw a chair all the way across the court. I don't know about everywhere else. But I know that at UHA you give it 110%. That when you play a terrible game or get terrible grades that you try harder, stay after school in the classroom, and stay hours after practice. When you play an okay game that you watch videos, you sweat more in practice, and you add a practice to the week schedule to work on the little things. When you play a great game that you ask yourself, "Why couldn't I have played better." Maybe.... just maybe. UHA just has the talent to compete in the All A year in and year out? If they were seriously getting an "unfair" advantage... How come they haven't won a Sweet 16 tournament in 14 years? I think everyone is allowed their own opinion so think what you want. But do not come on here and bash my school or anyone else's school (public or private) when they do good. And you know what else? Surprise surprise surprise. Private schools also have a MUCH better percentage with kids going to college and beyond. CONGRATS UNIVERSITY HEIGHTS BLAZERS!

I wouldn't say UHA has been totally clean during their run of success. There were issues there when Tommy Wade was involved with the program, the shoes incident involving middle schoolers at Christian County Middle School, enrolling a middle schooler who lived in public housing in the next county (all expenses paid), and having a 6-6 player from another school take an entrance exam to UHA even though he was a special ed student. How good is the special ed program at UHA? Do they have one?

 

All of the above has either been reported to the KHSAA or to the schools in question. They aren't the figment of anyone's imagination. I don't buy the "work harder" argument, especially after seeing what Keller did last year.

In the 30s, 40s, 50s small schools like Carr Creek, Cuba, Hazel Green, Harlan, Hazard, Hindman, Brooksville, Hindman, Brewers, Midway, and Inez won the state tourney. The Great King Kelly Coleman took Wayland to the semi-finals.

These are TRUE small schools. Their players were born, raised, and went to school in those tiny communities.

 

In the 30's 40's and 50's EVERY school was small. They were all communtiy schools. Kids were not bussed across the county nor did parents drive their kids miles to school. In Mason County alone there was Orangeburg School, Mayslick School, Washington School, Lewisburg School, Minerva School. In the 60's they built one large high school for all kids to bussed to. Maybe that's why the small schools quit winng the tournaments after the 50's, most of them were consolidated. Even Maysville HS has conslidated with Mason. That's the main reason you don't see these small schools winning the tournaments. There are so few left. Now there are mostly large county schools. If a person wants their child in a school where there is a smaller environment and more individual attention, the only choice is usually private school.

In the 30's 40's and 50's EVERY school was small. They were all communtiy schools. Kids were not bussed across the county nor did parents drive their kids miles to school. In Mason County alone there was Orangeburg School, Mayslick School, Washington School, Lewisburg School, Minerva School. In the 60's they built one large high school for all kids to bussed to. Maybe that's why the small schools quit winng the tournaments after the 50's, most of them were consolidated. Even Maysville HS has conslidated with Mason. That's the main reason you don't see these small schools winning the tournaments. There are so few left. Now there are mostly large county schools. If a person wants their child in a school where there is a smaller environment and more individual attention, the only choice is usually private school.

 

Thank you for pointing that out, as that is exactly what we did, our kids would have had to attend at first a middle school in Lexington that was one of the largest in the state, and then High School meant being in a district with a school I didn't want them to attend, and it has nothing to do with athletics.