Bozich: Tubby makes a better Gopher...

[Cubster]

I should write for a paper. I said this last year.

 

Tubby is about coaching and teaching basketball.

 

UK fans want top 10 recruits who can just run and shoot. That doesn't fit into Tubby's style.

 

Tubby's style is about basketball and the way it was meant to be played.

 

So what was Pitino's?

UK fans loved him and he won BIG.

[ladiesbballcoach]

So what was Pitino's?

UK fans loved him and he won BIG.

 

Something that UK produces every 50 years. NOT a year and year out occurrence with UK basketball. UK last saw the success they had in 96 to 98 in 1948-51.

 

And yet somehow UK fans have come to believe that it should happen all the time.

 

Facts show that UK has that success every 50 some years but some UK fans believe it is their right to happen more than that despite the evidence to the contrary.

[mobaar]

Tubby's style is about basketball and the way it was meant to be played.

 

So how do Florida, UNC, Kansas, Duke, etc play?

 

Come on, Tubby's a great guy, but you're laying it on thick there.

[ladiesbballcoach]

So how do Florida, UNC, Kansas, Duke, etc play?

 

Come on, Tubby's a great guy, but you're laying it on thick there.

 

Did I say that those styles are not what basketball is about?

[Wireman]

So how do Florida, UNC, Kansas, Duke, etc play?

 

Come on, Tubby's a great guy, but you're laying it on thick there.

 

I agree. I'm tired of hearing the shot in the dark theory about Pitino (once every 50 years, etc.). UNC, Kansas, UCLA, Duke, Florida, Syracuse, Arizona, etc. consistently put their teams in the top 25... UNC, Duke, UCLA, and Kansas consistently put their teams in the Final Four. UK should be at that same level.

[mobaar]

Did I say that those styles are not what basketball is about?

 

No, but if their styles ARE what basketball is about, then their coaches are a lot better than Tubby at it.

 

I'm NOT trying to bash the man, but some people act like he's the second coming.

[pigman]

When Pitino left, they ceased being his players. They played Tubby's style of basketball, thus allowing them to win a national championship. That makes them Tubby's IMO...

 

Actually they were UK players that Pitino recruited. Their jerseys didn't say Pitino or Smith they said UK. I think Tubby is twice the coach JoeB was but I remember Joe getting to several more final fours than Tubby, how can that be. Oldrambler said it well in the Minnesota Indiana thread they gave them a good game with less talent, well the last two years that's what we had here.

[ladiesbballcoach]

I agree. I'm tired of hearing the shot in the dark theory about Pitino (once every 50 years, etc.). UNC, Kansas, UCLA, Duke, Florida, Syracuse, Arizona, etc. consistently put their teams in the top 25... UNC, Duke, UCLA, and Kansas consistently put their teams in the Final Four. UK should be at that same level.

 

The Pitino success of 96-98 is different than putting your team in the top 25 every year.

 

And of the schools you mentioned, ONLY UCLA, Duke, Florida (along with San Francisco and UC) has matched the success that KY had in 48-51 and 96-98.

 

How many years of Tubby's reign was UK not in the top 25.

 

And for the record, finishing year in and year out in the top 25, I don't believe, would be acceptable to UK fans.

[ladiesbballcoach]

No, but if their styles ARE what basketball is about, then their coaches are a lot better than Tubby at it.

 

I'm NOT trying to bash the man, but some people act like he's the second coming.

 

Absolutely not. He is a basketball coach that is all he is. And in the great scheme of things what he accomplishes and what UK basketball accomplishes means NOTHING.

 

That said, I disagree that they are better at it.

 

I have long said that I think Tubby would make a horrible NBA coach. Reason being is that your system is not what is important in the NBA compared to the talent of your team.

 

Tubby is best at a school where you don't have to recruit the top 10 recruits and end up with headcases like Rondo, Morris, Carruth and Crawford. Rather he is best when he has players that will sacrifice and understand what it takes to run his system and play basketball like it is meant to be played. Think Hayes, Daniels, Fitch, Prince, etc, etc.

 

My full belief is that Rondo, Crawford, Morris, Bradley expected the system to conform to them while Tubby has his system and wants players to conform to it.

 

Some UK fans feel like they have partially lost is their recruit class is not top 5 and higher than UNC and Duke. It bothers them that the UK recruiting classes are not higher than UNC and Duke.

 

I agree with the author, as I said, that Tubby and UK is not a good marriage.

[mobaar]

How many years of Tubby's reign was UK not in the top 25.

 

The last two. (using the final rankings)

[ladiesbballcoach]

The last two. (using the final rankings)

 

Be interesting to see in the final rankings how many of the teams listed above finished out of the rankings in Tubby's reign at UK.

[mobaar]

Be interesting to see in the final rankings how many of the teams listed above finished out of the rankings in Tubby's reign at UK.

 

It would also be interesting to see, of those that finished outside the rankings, how many fired their coaches.

[ladiesbballcoach]

It would also be interesting to see, of those that finished outside the rankings, how many fired their coaches.

 

From the big ones mentioned (and btw, HOW IS SYRACUSE included with these other teams?)

 

UNC, Kansas, UCLA, Duke, Florida, Syracuse, Arizona,

 

UNC has been the only one to fire a coach in how long? Wasn't it the next year after Dougherty was fired that Williams won the NCAA? I am sorry, let me correct that, Williams won with Dougherty's players, the NCAA?

[Hasbeen]

I agree. I'm tired of hearing the shot in the dark theory about Pitino (once every 50 years, etc.). UNC, Kansas, UCLA, Duke, Florida, Syracuse, Arizona, etc. consistently put their teams in the top 25... UNC, Duke, UCLA, and Kansas consistently put their teams in the Final Four. UK should be at that same level.

 

With the exception of recent, very recent, final four appearances and with UCLAs championships, none of these schools out performs UK. We have become too enamored of FF appearances when what really counts are championships. Arizona is no where near consistant. Florida has only come on to the stage in the past few seasons. UCLA, Kansas and UNC have suffered long dry spells in not that long ago. When I was a kid, Jacksonville, St. Bonventure, Seton Hall, Ohio State, and Villanova all had impressive periods but soon faded. Who's to say Florida won't be the same. UK, UNC, KU, Duke, UCLA, and Indiana have down periods but always come back. You've got to be able to see beyond who has the hot hand at the moment.

[mobaar]

From the big ones mentioned (and btw, HOW IS SYRACUSE included with these other teams?)

 

UNC, Kansas, UCLA, Duke, Florida, Syracuse, Arizona,

 

UNC has been the only one to fire a coach in how long? Wasn't it the next year after Dougherty was fired that Williams won the NCAA? I am sorry, let me correct that, Williams won with Dougherty's players, the NCAA?

 

*cough*Steve Lavin*cough*

 

EDIT: Also, it was two years after arriving at UNC that RW won the title. (first year he was 19-11)