Liberals consider themselves to be the saviors of the people. Conservatives consider liberals to be the enslavers of the people.

Dodge the question, Aces. Nice. I'll bring it right back up. I think the fact that Gov. Beshear (a liberal politican) was elected convincingly shows that our state isn't the backwoods-country bumpkin-walking to church barefoot unlogical state you want to imply that it is.

 

 

How can a question be dodged if it isn't asked?

Liberals consider themselves to be the saviors of the people. Conservatives consider liberals to be the enslavers of the people.

 

And some see it exactly the opposite. That my friend is an example of a conundrum.

Reply to what?

 

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many of my posts line up with socialism. Explain your opinion.

Liberals consider themselves to be the saviors of the people. Conservatives consider liberals to be the enslavers of the people.

 

I definately agree with the first part. I think Conservatives are oppressive to too many people. I am sure they do good at taking care of their own but there are to many groups that they look down on because of their article of faith. There is something fundamentally wrong with that.

You said...

 

many of my posts line up with socialism. Explain your opinion.

 

My apologies, I was confusing some of your posts with thegooch. I do not feel that you are an advocate of socialism.

I'm not so sure about that. You could make the case that Gov. Beshear is a liberal - yet the voters of this commonwealth elected him in a landslide.

 

Look at the amount of money that is being given by Kentuckians to the various candiates. Obama and Hilary top the list.

 

When is the last time this state's electorial votes have went to the democratic party? How many of our national representatives are democrats? BTW, what makes Beshear liberal, the fact that he is on the democratic ticket?

When is the last time this state's electorial votes have went to the democratic party? How many of our national representatives are democrats? BTW, what makes Beshear liberal, the fact that he is on the democratic ticket?

 

96. Kentucky went for Bush both times he run. It went for Clinton both times he ran. Currently 1/3 of our congressional represenatives are Democrat while both senators are Republican.

 

Steve Beshear is liberal in that he is for expanded casino gambling, limited legislation restricting abortion, and he has hosted fundraisers for gay-rights activists. These are not bad things, IMO, but it would classify him as "liberal."

96. Kentucky went for Bush both times he run. It went for Clinton both times he ran. Currently 1/3 of our congressional represenatives are Democrat while both senators are Republican.

 

Steve Beshear is liberal in that he is for expanded casino gambling, limited legislation restricting abortion, and he has hosted fundraisers for gay-rights activists. These are not bad things, IMO, but it would classify him as "liberal."

 

I think you have to factor in the backlash against Ernie Fletcher when considering Beshear as an example. How much of his victory should be attributed to his own merits and how much should be attributed to people voting against Fletcher more than they voted for Beshear? Just a thought...

 

You may argue that people will be voting against the Republican nominee as well due to W's tenure, and you might be right. I can't say. My guess would be that the anti-Republican vote would be tempered much more in the presidential election than it was in the governor's race because Bush, who is a big target of the backlash, won't be the candidate.

 

Anyway, I don't really want to get into this discussion too much. I just wanted to throw that thought out about Beshear. I tend to agree with AcesFull to some degree...I think KY's democrats are obviously more conservative than many other more liberal states. I don't agree that it's a foregone conclusion that Obama won't win.

 

If I had to make a guess, I'd probably bet against Obama winning KY. However, I think he's certainly capable of winning and wouldn't be surprised if he did. I suspect KY would be a pretty competitive state at this point, but I could be wrong. I'm far from a political expert.

I think you have to factor in the backlash against Ernie Fletcher when considering Beshear as an example. How much of his victory should be attributed to his own merits and how much should be attributed to people voting against Fletcher more than they voted for Beshear? Just a thought...

 

You may argue that people will be voting against the Republican nominee as well due to W's tenure, and you might be right. I can't say. My guess would be that the anti-Republican vote would be tempered much more in the presidential election than it was in the governor's race because Bush, who is a big target of the backlash, won't be the candidate.

 

Anyway, I don't really want to get into this discussion too much. I just wanted to throw that thought out about Beshear. I tend to agree with AcesFull to some degree...I think KY's democrats are obviously more conservative than many other more liberal states. I don't agree that it's a foregone conclusion that Obama won't win.

 

If I had to make a guess, I'd probably bet against Obama winning KY. However, I think he's certainly capable of winning and wouldn't be surprised if he did. I suspect KY would be a pretty competitive state at this point, but I could be wrong. I'm far from a political expert.

 

Very good post, 5wide.

 

I sincerely hope that Kentucky is a competitive state this fall despite who the 2 canidates are. If we end being an important swing state - of more importantly an important swing state in an area of the country that could produce a lot of electoral votes (Ohio and Virginia along with Kentucky) the nominees may actually spend a little time here listening to and addressing our concerns as a commonwealth and that will be a good thing for the state.

Very good post, 5wide.

 

I sincerely hope that Kentucky is a competitive state this fall despite who the 2 canidates are. If we end being an important swing state - of more importantly an important swing state in an area of the country that could produce a lot of electoral votes (Ohio and Virginia along with Kentucky) the nominees may actually spend a little time here listening to and addressing our concerns as a commonwealth and that will be a good thing for the state.

 

That may be the most unlikely possibility of them all...:thumb:

That may be the most unlikely possibility of them all...:thumb:

 

:lol:

 

In an Utopian America, perhaps.

Regarding Obama and the south: Obama is not Jesse Jackson. He's not Rev. Al Sharpton. I can forsee many southerners being comfortable with Obama vs the past black candidates.