I agree madman, theoldguy must come from a bigger school or maybe even a private school who has never had to face overwhelming odds just to win a district championship let alone a regional or even a state one.

 

I would go for the idea, but are you willing to guarantee the KHSAA, that the money that they make on the Boys only Sweet Sixteen is going to be there so you can have a state tourney's for all the other sports programs? Have any of you who has posted to this thread been to WKU to watch the girls state tourney? Do you really think they the KHSAA makes any or much money on that tourney? Do you think the KHSAA could afford to hold a four class Sweet Sixteen at Rupp like they do for the Sweet Sixteen over the course of the number of day/nights that they would have to run a four class tourney? Name me a sport other than the Boys Sweet Sixteen that brings in the money to operate the KHSAA as they do today, and if you say Football think again. Thankfully when "T" plays St. X it's Christmas day for the KHSAA, as those two schools pack the Pizza Box, but the others classes no way. Unless someone comes up with an idea to have what you all want and to keep the cash cow alive, it is totally unfair to all the other sports and kids that games don't make the money to have a state tourney. It's just not about the small schools or the middle or even the large size schools, it's about the running of all the sports programs, for all the schools and all the sports, that are never going to make enough money to operate, and thats why the Boy's Sweet Sixteen is so important to me. I hate it that it all about money, but sorry, thats life. So you have a choice, have the KHSAA stop hosting all the non marquee sports that they do, or keep the cash cow alive. In Kentucky at least I don't see how you can have both....

 

BTW if you don't know who I follow, then welcome to BGP's, for you must be new!:lol:

With over ten pages of postings it might not be too hard to figure out who theoldguy supports.

I haven't taken economics for a long time, but let me see if I get the "old guys" math for girls basketball:

 

1 sweet 16 has 16 teams = 16 x 50 fans each = 800 people

4 sweet 16 classes has 64 teams = 64 x 50 fans each = 3200 people

 

I am only counting 50 fans each which is LOW. The small town teams that would make it to state would bring just that, the whole town. It would be a cash cow. I am failing to see where this is a bad idea.

 

More people equals more money? Supply and demand and such....

It works in Ohio where I am from. The small D IV schools bring their

whole towns to games when it is state tournament time!!! More than the

bigger schools. More people is more gate money and more concessions....

 

Plus it gives schools a chance to play against same/similar schools (apples vs. apples, not apples vs. oranges)

I would go for the idea, but are you willing to guarantee the KHSAA, that the money that they make on the Boys only Sweet Sixteen is going to be there so you can have a state tourney's for all the other sports programs? Have any of you who has posted to this thread been to WKU to watch the girls state tourney? Do you really think they the KHSAA makes any or much money on that tourney? Do you think the KHSAA could afford to hold a four class Sweet Sixteen at Rupp like they do for the Sweet Sixteen over the course of the number of day/nights that they would have to run a four class tourney? Name me a sport other than the Boys Sweet Sixteen that brings in the money to operate the KHSAA as they do today, and if you say Football think again. Thankfully when "T" plays St. X it's Christmas day for the KHSAA, as those two schools pack the Pizza Box, but the others classes no way. Unless someone comes up with an idea to have what you all want and to keep the cash cow alive, it is totally unfair to all the other sports and kids that games don't make the money to have a state tourney. It's just not about the small schools or the middle or even the large size schools, it's about the running of all the sports programs, for all the schools and all the sports, that are never going to make enough money to operate, and thats why the Boy's Sweet Sixteen is so important to me. I hate it that it all about money, but sorry, thats life. So you have a choice, have the KHSAA stop hosting all the non marquee sports that they do, or keep the cash cow alive. In Kentucky at least I don't see how you can have both....

 

BTW if you don't know who I follow, then welcome to BGP's, for you must be new!:lol:

Who gets all this money you are talking about? I believe the 16 teams that qualify get there cut but the other hundreds of teams that didn't qualify get nothing. Sounds like the rich keep getting richer. If I was involved with a school that consistently went to the Sweet 16, I definately wouldn't want a change. Why give up the sweet money we get for participating each year? If you went to 4 classes, this dominate team won't get their large chunk of change, only a fourth of it. The remaining money will be spread to the other schools who participate in the other classes. What's wrong with that? Spreading the wealth sounds like a good idea to me. The current system is much like the business world. The big guys rule and they keep getting richer.

I haven't taken economics for a long time, but let me see if I get the "old guys" math for girls basketball:

 

1 sweet 16 has 16 teams = 16 x 50 fans each = 800 people

4 sweet 16 classes has 64 teams = 64 x 50 fans each = 3200 people

 

I am only counting 50 fans each which is LOW. The small town teams that would make it to state would bring just that, the whole town. It would be a cash cow. I am failing to see where this is a bad idea.

 

More people equals more money? Supply and demand and such....

It works in Ohio where I am from. The small D IV schools bring their

whole towns to games when it is state tournament time!!! More than the

bigger schools. More people is more gate money and more concessions....

 

Plus it gives schools a chance to play against same/similar schools (apples vs. apples, not apples vs. oranges)

You are absolutely correct.:thumb:

I haven't taken economics for a long time, but let me see if I get the "old guys" math for girls basketball:

 

1 sweet 16 has 16 teams = 16 x 50 fans each = 800 people

4 sweet 16 classes has 64 teams = 64 x 50 fans each = 3200 people

 

I am only counting 50 fans each which is LOW. The small town teams that would make it to state would bring just that, the whole town. It would be a cash cow. I am failing to see where this is a bad idea.

 

More people equals more money? Supply and demand and such....

It works in Ohio where I am from. The small D IV schools bring their

whole towns to games when it is state tournament time!!! More than the

bigger schools. More people is more gate money and more concessions....

 

Plus it gives schools a chance to play against same/similar schools (apples vs. apples, not apples vs. oranges)

 

You really are new to Kentucky.... How about in the first round of games (boys sweet sixteen) the attendance is nearly 16,000 while the semis and finals usually have a full house (which at Rupp) is around 24,000 fans.

 

Again, and no one answered my question how do you pay for all the other tourney's if the cash cow is gone.

 

If you had every attended a class "A" Football State Champion game in the Pizza Box you would realize just how small some of the crowds are compared to the bigger 6A division games. If it weren't for the bigger crowds that the bigger schools bring in, the football State Football Tourney would lose money.

 

BTW you do know that the HS Football tourney in Ohio is play at a HS field and the Basketball Tourney that is played in Columbus is never at least from I have seen sold out!

 

Seems to me at least you are only concerned about Baseketball.... and not about Cross County, Track and Field, Soccer, Bowling, and a host of other sports...that don't make money, but are so very, very important to the kids who play them....

Who gets all this money you are talking about? I believe the 16 teams that qualify get there cut but the other hundreds of teams that didn't qualify get nothing. Sounds like the rich keep getting richer. If I was involved with a school that consistently went to the Sweet 16, I definately wouldn't want a change. Why give up the sweet money we get for participating each year? If you went to 4 classes, this dominate team won't get their large chunk of change, only a fourth of it. The remaining money will be spread to the other schools who participate in the other classes. What's wrong with that? Spreading the wealth sounds like a good idea to me. The current system is much like the business world. The big guys rule and they keep getting richer.

 

You just might want to rethink your comments about the rich getting richer. Do me a favor, and call the KSHAA in Lexington to see what they say about your comments.....

You really are new to Kentucky.... How about in the first round of games (boys sweet sixteen) the attendance is nearly 16,000 while the semis and finals usually have a full house (which at Rupp) is around 24,000 fans.

 

Again, and no one answered my question how do you pay for all the other tourney's if the cash cow is gone.

 

If you had every attended a class "A" Football State Champion game in the Pizza Box you would realize just how small some of the crowds are compared to the bigger 6A division games. If it weren't for the bigger crowds that the bigger schools bring in, the football State Football Tourney would lose money.

 

BTW you do know that the HS Football tourney in Ohio is play at a HS field and the Basketball Tourney that is played in Columbus is never at least from I have seen sold out!

 

Seems to me at least you are only concerned about Baseketball.... and not about Cross County, Track and Field, Soccer, Bowling, and a host of other sports...that don't make money, but are so very, very important to the kids who play them....

 

But there is more than one final!

I guess I don't understand what you are asking in regards to the money. In Ohio, the host school of sectionals, regionals, and districts receive a cut of the money for hosting that part of the tournament. A host site CANNOT have a team playing at that site. The other money goes to the OHSAA for trophies and regular expenses.

 

In response to all the sports, it should be the same for all the kids no matter what. If it is broken down in some sports, then it should be in ALL sports. How do you tell your daughter that goes to Small High School that she will never have a chance to compete because her Region has her placed with 4 bigger schools that are always better (and why her friends/teammates transfer to in order to have "a chance"). However, her schools football team who went 0-10 made the state tournament because it is broken down into classes.

 

Makes no sense for this former Buckeye. I wasn't saying it was the worst thing in sports, just trying to understand the makeup. I had no idea teams that went to the sweet 16 made a cut of money..... WOW

My idea is to make two classes A and AA. You still have your district and 16 regions based on class size. The 16 regional winners would have a semi-state round to get it down to 8 teams in each class( 16 total). Those 16 then go to Rupp Arena for the Sweet Sixteen. Schedules would be set up alternating games between A and AA then have 2 championship games on Saturday with the games being spaced far enough apart to clear the arena between games.

 

The diehards that come to the sweet sixteen do not come their to watch particular teams they come to watch 16 high school basketball teams and socialize. I do not think they would suddenly stop showing up to watch the tournament. In fact fans would see, IMO, better basketball teams because you would be seeing the top eight in each class not the top 16.

 

Also dont forget the additional revenue that would be generated in the semi-state games throughout the state. Imagine if NKU new arena was open this year and this format was in place, the 10th Region big school plays the 9Th Region big school Mason County vs CovCath with a trip to Rupp Arena on the line. That place would be sold out.

You just might want to rethink your comments about the rich getting richer. Do me a favor, and call the KSHAA in Lexington to see what they say about your comments.....

Don't need to rethink or make a phone call.:thumb:

I would go for the idea, but are you willing to guarantee the KHSAA, that the money that they make on the Boys only Sweet Sixteen is going to be there so you can have a state tourney's for all the other sports programs? Have any of you who has posted to this thread been to WKU to watch the girls state tourney? Do you really think they the KHSAA makes any or much money on that tourney? Do you think the KHSAA could afford to hold a four class Sweet Sixteen at Rupp like they do for the Sweet Sixteen over the course of the number of day/nights that they would have to run a four class tourney? Name me a sport other than the Boys Sweet Sixteen that brings in the money to operate the KHSAA as they do today, and if you say Football think again. Thankfully when "T" plays St. X it's Christmas day for the KHSAA, as those two schools pack the Pizza Box, but the others classes no way. Unless someone comes up with an idea to have what you all want and to keep the cash cow alive, it is totally unfair to all the other sports and kids that games don't make the money to have a state tourney. It's just not about the small schools or the middle or even the large size schools, it's about the running of all the sports programs, for all the schools and all the sports, that are never going to make enough money to operate, and thats why the Boy's Sweet Sixteen is so important to me. I hate it that it all about money, but sorry, thats life. So you have a choice, have the KHSAA stop hosting all the non marquee sports that they do, or keep the cash cow alive. In Kentucky at least I don't see how you can have both....

 

BTW if you don't know who I follow, then welcome to BGP's, for you must be new!:lol:

 

I agree it is all about the money, but how do 49 other states run the same type of athletic tourneys as Ky. and still have classes. I think 3 or 4 classes COULD be run and still raise the necessary money. If it couldn't then shame on the KHSAA for penalizing small/middle size schools because they can't be imaginative enough to raise the necessary money to do what everyone else does.

I guess I don't understand what you are asking in regards to the money. In Ohio, the host school of sectionals, regionals, and districts receive a cut of the money for hosting that part of the tournament. A host site CANNOT have a team playing at that site. The other money goes to the OHSAA for trophies and regular expenses.

 

In response to all the sports, it should be the same for all the kids no matter what. If it is broken down in some sports, then it should be in ALL sports. How do you tell your daughter that goes to Small High School that she will never have a chance to compete because her Region has her placed with 4 bigger schools that are always better (and why her friends/teammates transfer to in order to have "a chance"). However, her schools football team who went 0-10 made the state tournament because it is broken down into classes.

 

Makes no sense for this former Buckeye. I wasn't saying it was the worst thing in sports, just trying to understand the makeup. I had no idea teams that went to the sweet 16 made a cut of money..... WOW

 

Neither did I, and that is why I asked the person to call the KHSAA!

They do get expenses for lodging, food (if they live outside of I think 60 miles from the game site) and for transportation. Again I am not so much against having four divisions but I am against the non money making sports being the ones who get hurt by killing the cash cow.

 

You are so worried about a young lady from a small school not getting to play in a state tournament in Basketball, but what about the much larger number of young girls in all the other sports, are you not worried about them?

 

Holding all these events cost a LOT of money, and the Boys like it or not Sweet Sixteen pays for the majority of them. Kill it, and you (IMO) kill them, and that would be really a shame....

You really are new to Kentucky.... How about in the first round of games (boys sweet sixteen) the attendance is nearly 16,000 while the semis and finals usually have a full house (which at Rupp) is around 24,000 fans.

 

Again, and no one answered my question how do you pay for all the other tourney's if the cash cow is gone.

 

If you had every attended a class "A" Football State Champion game in the Pizza Box you would realize just how small some of the crowds are compared to the bigger 6A division games. If it weren't for the bigger crowds that the bigger schools bring in, the football State Football Tourney would lose money.

 

BTW you do know that the HS Football tourney in Ohio is play at a HS field and the Basketball Tourney that is played in Columbus is never at least from I have seen sold out!

 

Seems to me at least you are only concerned about Baseketball.... and not about Cross County, Track and Field, Soccer, Bowling, and a host of other sports...that don't make money, but are so very, very important to the kids who play them....

Your crowd estimates are way out of line. First round games seldom have 16,000, more like 10-12 thousand. Depending on the teams involved the semis and finals are lucky to draw 18,000. VERY, VERY seldom do they approach anything near 24,000.

Neither did I, and that is why I asked the person to call the KHSAA!

They do get expenses for lodging, food (if they live outside of I think 60 miles from the game site) and for transportation. Again I am not so much against having four divisions but I am against the non money making sports being the ones who get hurt by killing the cash cow.

 

You are so worried about a young lady from a small school not getting to play in a state tournament in Basketball, but what about the much larger number of young girls in all the other sports, are you not worried about them?

 

Holding all these events cost a LOT of money, and the Boys like it or not Sweet Sixteen pays for the majority of them. Kill it, and you (IMO) kill them, and that would be really a shame....

 

Not looking to hurt ANY high school athletes. They should have the best experience possible! And that goes for any athlete in any sport! I don't think every kid should make the team or anything like that. However, in my original post I was just wondering why there is an All A tournament that gives the little guys something to play for, and then there isn't an All AA tournament. Just wondering why not or whatever....I am not gutsy enough to try to take on the KHSAA or do I want to. I don't want to ruin anything for anyone, just asking a simple question that is all.

 

And I guess I am confused about how other sports are broken into classes and not basketball. If it is only because it is a "cash cow" as you claim, that is a shame for everyone involved with high school athletics!

 

I don't coach in NKY and don't have any daughters playing in high school (yet) and so being new to the area just trying to piece it all together!