A player must pivot for it to be considered a walk. this I learned fro a ref.

 

I hope the ref you had tell you this isn't a high school guy. Moving your pivot foot is just that. One of the two players must actually travel or they can hold the ball as long as they want.

Correct me again if I am wrong, maybe the rule changed but if two players on the same team both grab the ball at the same time and hold onto it, it is a turnover? Maybe I have gotten to old and the rules change.

 

I'll correct you. Only if one of them actually travels.

I'll correct you. Only if one of them actually travels.

Here's the ruling straight out of the NFHS Rules Book:

Rule 4.44.2 Situation B: Airborne A1 and A2 jointly grab the rebound and each alights simultaneously on both feet. A1 and A2 each move one foot in attempting to wrestle the ball from each other before realizing they are teammates. A1 lets go and A2 dribbles away. RULING: Legal. There has been no violation as neither A1 or A2 moved their pivot foot while they were in joint control.

Hope this helps to clarify for everyone.

Finally a voice of reason coming from madman. Always interesting to see how many people who watch the game of basketball really don't know the rules!

Finally a voice of reason coming from madman. Always interesting to see how many people who watch the game of basketball really don't know the rules!

 

And what voice would Sandman and I have been using?

Here's the ruling straight out of the NFHS Rules Book:

Rule 4.44.2 Situation B: Airborne A1 and A2 jointly grab the rebound and each alights simultaneously on both feet. A1 and A2 each move one foot in attempting to wrestle the ball from each other before realizing they are teammates. A1 lets go and A2 dribbles away. RULING: Legal. There has been no violation as neither A1 or A2 moved their pivot foot while they were in joint control.

Hope this helps to clarify for everyone.

 

And now we come full circle, as the reason I used the same team holding the ball was to spur thought and see if there is consistancy which quoting this rule above, to me clearly show it is not consistent. As quoted in the ruling "to wrestle the ball" clearly would take a second or two, not a nano-second. Therefore, does the jump ball rule state that it is to protect players from hurting one another? If not, then I just feel it should be applied the same way if between tie ups between defense and offense as it is applied between two offense players. My point is, the quick whistle penalizes the team that looses the alternative position, therefore, make a true tie up before calling it quick. Yes an injury MIGHT occur on tie up, but I would put forth that an injury is more likely to occur on taking a charge. Just my opinion, there is no right or wrong here, just provoking some thoughts till the next ball game.

And now we come full circle, as the reason I used the same team holding the ball was to spur thought and see if there is consistancy which quoting this rule above, to me clearly show it is not consistent. As quoted in the ruling "to wrestle the ball" clearly would take a second or two, not a nano-second. Therefore, does the jump ball rule state that it is to protect players from hurting one another? If not, then I just feel it should be applied the same way if between tie ups between defense and offense as it is applied between two offense players. My point is, the quick whistle penalizes the team that looses the alternative position, therefore, make a true tie up before calling it quick. Yes an injury MIGHT occur on tie up, but I would put forth that an injury is more likely to occur on taking a charge. Just my opinion, there is no right or wrong here, just provoking some thoughts till the next ball game.

 

I agree with this post. I really feel like jump balls are called to quickly and too often.

I dont think the fear of injury comes from the held ball itself but more from players losing their temper during such action and swinging an elbow or fist. You worry about a team being "penalized" by losing possession but what about a team losing a player for the remainder of the game and an additional game because they lost their temper during a loose ball and got ejected for a punch or flagrant elbow? Seems to me a quick whistle is good game management.

In my opinion, a jump ball should be awarded to the team who created the tie up. It should be treated just like a defensive stop with the basketball being awarded to the defensive team.

 

The possession arrow should not be used for tie ups.

 

Totally agree! I have though that for years. I think if the defensive team created the tie up they should get the ball!

I dont think the fear of injury comes from the held ball itself but more from players losing their temper during such action and swinging an elbow or fist. You worry about a team being "penalized" by losing possession but what about a team losing a player for the remainder of the game and an additional game because they lost their temper during a loose ball and got ejected for a punch or flagrant elbow? Seems to me a quick whistle is good game management.

 

 

Please read above, I stated I do not want any player lost. My son is in his senior season, was the starting center for LCA last year, and was looking forward to a good senior season but in during "practice" before the season started, tore his patella tendon in his knee, just jumping up for a pass with no one around, now we hope he can come back for a hand full of games if he heals. So NO I do not want a player EVER lost for ANY reason. Not the purpose of this post.

This makes no sense......Please explain.

 

Something MUST pivot for a travel to occur. Contary to popular belief just because two players from the same team have control of the ball does not mean that a walk has happened one of them must still comitte a walk.

And now we come full circle, as the reason I used the same team holding the ball was to spur thought and see if there is consistancy which quoting this rule above, to me clearly show it is not consistent. As quoted in the ruling "to wrestle the ball" clearly would take a second or two, not a nano-second. Therefore, does the jump ball rule state that it is to protect players from hurting one another? If not, then I just feel it should be applied the same way if between tie ups between defense and offense as it is applied between two offense players.

 

Why? Apples and oranges.

And now we come full circle, as the reason I used the same team holding the ball was to spur thought and see if there is consistancy which quoting this rule above, to me clearly show it is not consistent. As quoted in the ruling "to wrestle the ball" clearly would take a second or two, not a nano-second. Therefore, does the jump ball rule state that it is to protect players from hurting one another? If not, then I just feel it should be applied the same way if between tie ups between defense and offense as it is applied between two offense players. My point is, the quick whistle penalizes the team that looses the alternative position, therefore, make a true tie up before calling it quick. Yes an injury MIGHT occur on tie up, but I would put forth that an injury is more likely to occur on taking a charge. Just my opinion, there is no right or wrong here, just provoking some thoughts till the next ball game.

It's simultaneous possession and there's no time frame as to how long the players have to have control of the ball. Some officials may allow plays to last longer than others but it is simple, simultaneous possession. The quicker the officials can intervene, the better. This reduces the risk of rough play and games getting out of control.

And what voice would Sandman and I have been using?

 

 

I was wondering that as well. :confused:

Here's the ruling straight out of the NFHS Rules Book:

Rule 4.44.2 Situation B: Airborne A1 and A2 jointly grab the rebound and each alights simultaneously on both feet. A1 and A2 each move one foot in attempting to wrestle the ball from each other before realizing they are teammates. A1 lets go and A2 dribbles away. RULING: Legal. There has been no violation as neither A1 or A2 moved their pivot foot while they were in joint control.

Hope this helps to clarify for everyone.

 

 

That's what I already said, but thanks.

 

It's really an easy rule, if a guy has possession of the ball, he can only walk if he moves both feet. What's hard about that?