I totally agree. I for one will not support an atheist or his godless world view. My 16 year son is probably strong enough in his faith that he wouldn't be swayed, but why would anyone want to spend money to support this anti-God theme? I don't think it pleases God in any shape, form or fashion. My family will not support it with our time or money. In fact we hope it is a total flop at the box office.

 

On the word I bolded, you willing to take that risk? Mine probably is at 10 but I am not willing to take that risk.

Pullman has probably just not been exposed to healthy religion.

 

He has been exposed to religion that is full of dogma and doctrine and not about relationships with grace and mercy.

 

Much unhealthy religion tells you not to think and takes your imagination away - I probably agree with Pullman on this - healthy religion asks you to think and work on your relationship with Jesus/God/Humans so that they are relationship built on the Unconditional Love that God has given us.

 

i went ahead and bolded part so that when I am slammed and you quote it, you won't have to go back and bold that part

Pullman has probably just not been exposed to healthy religion.

 

He has been exposed to religion that is full of dogma and doctrine and not about relationships with grace and mercy.

 

Much unhealthy religion tells you not to think and takes your imagination away - I probably agree with Pullman on this - healthy religion asks you to think and work on your relationship with Jesus/God/Humans so that they are relationship built on the Unconditional Love that God has given us.

 

i went ahead and bolded part so that when I am slammed and you quote it, you won't have to go back and bold that part

 

So would you expose your child to this movie and book series?

 

Do you think kids should be exposed to materials that are anti-Christian?

 

If so, will you let your child study the materials of Satanists?

I think Satan has some of his crew pose as Christ's followers to devalue the word and message of Christ.

 

 

I would agree to that. Except I think they often wear the cloak of "value for God's Word" beyond what God intended or wanted and they wear the mask of "the message of Christ" and violate the heart of the message.

I would agree to that. Except I think they often wear the cloak of "value for God's Word" beyond what God intended or wanted and they wear the mask of "the message of Christ" and violate the heart of the message.

 

You lost me on the part after agreeing with me.

 

What did you mean by the last part? I hear religious speak and not sure what it is saying.

So would you expose your child to this movie and book series?

 

Do you think kids should be exposed to materials that are anti-Christian?

 

If so, will you let your child study the materials of Satanists?

 

My son (10 years old - baptised - generally prett good and bright) have already talked about the film. We have talked about the story and we have talked about Pullman's beliefs. We may go and see it and continue our discussion about what he thought it meant and whether as a Christian family we agree or disagree with the OVERT and the IMPLIED messages in the film.

 

We have also talked about creation and he doesn't understand why some people can't believe that God was powerful enough to create the world with a big bang.

 

We have also talked about the fact that there are gays and lesbians around and that some people treat them poorly b/c they think that is a sin - we decided that even if it were a sin that we would love them anyway and treat them like other human beings, and would EVEN allow them to have access to health care.

 

He read the Chronicles of Narnia and even saw the movie where Aslan was killed, and we had to talk about that.

 

I want my son to be able to defend his faith because he has thought about, not because my preacher, or his Sunday School teacher, or even I have told him how he ought to beleive.

 

I also have my children attend public/government/secular progressive schools so that he can be the "salt" - not isolated away so he is not exposed to other ideas and opinions. He does get in trouble with all of this sometimes though.

My son (10 years old - baptised - generally prett good and bright) have already talked about the film. We have talked about the story and we have talked about Pullman's beliefs. We may go and see it and continue our discussion about what he thought it meant and whether as a Christian family we agree or disagree with the OVERT and the IMPLIED messages in the film.

 

We have also talked about creation and he doesn't understand why some people can't believe that God was powerful enough to create the world with a big bang.

 

We have also talked about the fact that there are gays and lesbians around and that some people treat them poorly b/c they think that is a sin - we decided that even if it were a sin that we would love them anyway and treat them like other human beings, and would EVEN allow them to have access to health care.

 

He read the Chronicles of Narnia and even saw the movie where Aslan was killed, and we had to talk about that.

 

I want my son to be able to defend his faith because he has thought about, not because my preacher, or his Sunday School teacher, or even I have told him how he ought to beleive.

 

I also have my children attend public/government/secular progressive schools so that he can be the "salt" - not isolated away so he is not exposed to other ideas and opinions. He does get in trouble with all of this sometimes though.

 

Sounds like we raise our sons almost identical and have identical conversations with them. And we have talked about the movie and he has no desire to see the movie that would try and cast God as evil and kill him. He also cannot fathom a single reason why a person would want to kill an unborn child.

 

Except for one point. If I was to talk to him about judging homosexuals I would also talk to him about Christians who judge other Christians about judging too much. Just to be fair and say that judging is wrong across the board.

Because my view is different than yours it is brainwashing or should my son be exposed to all views.

 

Including the views that espouse hatred vs. blacks, NAMBLA, and other views that I find horrific? Should I take him to see pornos or if I tell him no he can't, is that brainwashing against the pornography industry.

 

No I would not let him go.

 

We could discuss it and I would tell him why I would not let him go. But he would not be seeing it.

 

At 15, they are still not ready to filter that information. People like to think they are, but after 19 years of dealing with teenagers, no they are not.

 

LBBC, it kind of is Brain washing if a child is burnt out on Religion when they are young they will turn away from it when they get older...

 

Kids do need to get exposed to both world and let them be explained by the parents. But these kids will grow up.. Better for them to see wrong from right while there young..

 

That doesn't mean I support letting them do what they want, let them experience these movies and then expose them to The Passion. Give them a chance to figure it out while you can help mold them but don't be to pushy in your (views,beliefs,opinions) or it will backfire on you.. I know alot of kids that were done this way and now they are complete thugs, It doesn't always matter how the parents brought them up....:argue:

LBBC, it kind of is Brain washing if a child is burnt out on Religion when they are young they will turn away from it when they get older...

 

Kids do need to get exposed to both world and let them be explained by the parents. But these kids will grow up.. Better for them to see wrong from right while there young..

 

That doesn't mean I support letting them do what they want, let them experience these movies and then expose them to The Passion. Give them a chance to figure it out while you can help mold them but don't be to pushy in your (views,beliefs,opinions) or it will backfire on you.. I know alot of kids that were done this way and now they are complete thugs, It doesn't always matter how the parents brought them up....:argue:

 

Amen. My parents were very active in church and I've been a Christian since i was 7 but they weren't pushy. I know many who've experience "preacher's daughter" syndrome b/c their parents were too pushy about religion.

 

I saw the Golden Compass this weekend. I don't see what the big deal is. It's not anti-religion unless you really think about it a twist the movie into your view. But a kid won't pick up on it, trust me. My only problem with it was that it wasn't as good as I thought it would be.

Amen. My parents were very active in church and I've been a Christian since i was 7 but they weren't pushy. I know many who've experience "preacher's daughter" syndrome b/c their parents were too pushy about religion.

 

I saw the Golden Compass this weekend. I don't see what the big deal is. It's not anti-religion unless you really think about it a twist the movie into your view. But a kid won't pick up on it, trust me. My only problem with it was that it wasn't as good as I thought it would be.

 

I've saw it happen many times. I was never pushed to church it was something I wanted...

 

But the "Preacher Daughter" aka Little Miss Innocent... Wasn't so Innocent when we got into High School, Pregnant with a baby at 16.. Mom & Dad to pushy, it wasn't that they weren't good parents, Just Pushed To Hard...

 

You have to let the kids have a choice now and make an informed decision...

 

 

Just Remember They Will Be PICKING OUT YOUR NURSING HOME... :flame::eek::fire::cry::jump::jump::thumb:

Is faith not tested truly faith? I mean, if I cannot stand firm in my beliefs when I am challenged, then was I truly a believer to begin with?

On the word I bolded, you willing to take that risk? Mine probably is at 10 but I am not willing to take that risk.

No, that was just my point. Why take the risk not to mention support the anti-Christian themes. No one in our household will patronize the movie nor will we purchase the books.

LBBC, it kind of is Brain washing if a child is burnt out on Religion when they are young they will turn away from it when they get older...

Kids do need to get exposed to both world and let them be explained by the parents. But these kids will grow up.. Better for them to see wrong from right while there young..

 

That doesn't mean I support letting them do what they want, let them experience these movies and then expose them to The Passion. Give them a chance to figure it out while you can help mold them but don't be to pushy in your (views,beliefs,opinions) or it will backfire on you.. I know alot of kids that were done this way and now they are complete thugs, It doesn't always matter how the parents brought them up....:argue:

 

Religion and true saving faith are two entirely different things. Sharing the gift of true saving faith is not at all brain washing. If a child has been quickened by the Holy Spirit and realizes that they are sinners in need of a Savior and they have experienced true saving faith they will persevere in that faith. They will not ever lose their salvation. Religion on the hand is just that ---- religion. Religion does not save but we have a Savior who does. Praise the Lord.

Amen. My parents were very active in church and I've been a Christian since i was 7 but they weren't pushy. I know many who've experience "preacher's daughter" syndrome b/c their parents were too pushy about religion.

 

I saw the Golden Compass this weekend. I don't see what the big deal is. It's not anti-religion unless you really think about it a twist the movie into your view. But a kid won't pick up on it, trust me. My only problem with it was that it wasn't as good as I thought it would be.

 

AGAIN, did you see that the producer said they watered the first one down to get everyone to come and allow the 2nd and 3rd to be made. In those, they will NOT water the anti-God, anti-Christian message down.

Religion and true saving faith are two entirely different things. Sharing the gift of true saving faith is not at all brain washing. If a child has been quickened by the Holy Spirit and realizes that they are sinners in need of a Savior and they have experienced true saving faith they will persevere in that faith. They will not ever lose their salvation. Religion on the hand is just that ---- religion. Religion does not save but we have a Savior who does. Praise the Lord.

 

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Isn't it ironic that those who are quick to jump on Christians for being too judgemental are the FIRST to jump on Christians and assume that they are practicing religion and not faith.