November 7, 200718 yr http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51461 This is an editorial on his quote, but it falls right in line with several posts I had last winter, and it is in the same line as Osteen. How can this man of God be so wrong? (sarcasm is dripping).
November 7, 200718 yr Author That was a no-win question for Graham. I think he answered it perfectly. I agreed he answered it perfectly, and I believe he answered it truthfully. We try to limit an Omnipotent God with our desire to be "right" and hold the "truth".
November 7, 200718 yr Okay Ace, I am not following. I don't see your point in here but rather the opposite of your point. And I definitely did not see BG saying that all were going to Heaven as was claimed. Instead, I saw him giving a politically correct answer. You give the honest answer and you are ripped example, Ann Coulter. From the article, How do you get this, Billy Graham now says non-Christians in other faiths (false religions) and secular humanists may be going to heaven. From this, "Those are decisions only the Lord will make," Graham replied. "It would be foolish for me to speculate on who will be there [in heaven] and who won't. ... I don't want to speculate about that." And also from the article that you posted that stands in contrast to your viewpoint. John 3:36 tells us: "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." John 3:16 assures us: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son ..." The question isn't whether God loves every one of us or not, but why would He allow His beloved Son to die on the cross? He answers that question in the conclusion of this same verse. It is so that "... whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life" Meacham writes panegyrically how Graham has come to "an appreciation of complexity," or what liberals like to call nuance. They love that, because it's completely antithetical to the Bible's dogmatic teachings about right and wrong, good and evil. One of them was the apostle Paul, who wrote by inspiration of God: "For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus." (I Timothy 2:5) Another was the apostle John, who wrote by inspiration of God about Christ: "But as many as received Him, to them He [God] gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His [Christ's] name." (John 1:12) Yet another was the beloved physician Luke, who wrote by inspiration of God concerning Jesus: "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:12) This verse is a four-fold declaration of the truth that salvation is found only in Christ, and in Christ alone. And I guess Jesus himself was one of those bad judgemental Christians when he said, Well, even more important is the testimony of one other "radical" ... Jesus Himself, who declared unequivocally: "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6) How dare Jesus judge others and say they could only come through Him. I guess the viewpoint was that Jesus shouldn't be looking down his nose at others.:irked:
November 8, 200718 yr Author The article I used was the first one I could find that gave the reverand's quote. It is obviously attacking him and his stance when he says in response to a question about who was going to heaven that he could not say that people of other faiths were not going to be found by Jesus. If it is so clear, why would he not say only those who believe in Jesus? His response, and the reason I started the post, is very similar to what Joel Osteen said.
November 8, 200718 yr Romans 14:11 Billy and Joel have no say so in this matter. John 14:6 Man has a choice...Heaven or Hell.
November 8, 200718 yr Romans 14:11 Billy and Joel have no say so in this matter. Sure they do: Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, television North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe Rosenbergs, H-Bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom Brando, "The King and I", and "The Catcher in the Rye" Eisenhower, vaccine, England's got a new queen Marciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye We didn't start the fire It was always burning Since the world's been turning We didn't start the fire No we didn't light it But we tried to fight it
November 8, 200718 yr Sure they do: Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, television North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe Rosenbergs, H-Bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom Brando, "The King and I", and "The Catcher in the Rye" Eisenhower, vaccine, England's got a new queen Marciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye We didn't start the fire It was always burning Since the world's been turning We didn't start the fire No we didn't light it But we tried to fight it Oof ...
November 8, 200718 yr Author Romans 14:11 Billy and Joel have no say so in this matter. John 14:6 Man has a choice...Heaven or Hell. But how can they be so wrong, and you so right? Have they not also studied the scriptures for many, many years and come to a different conclusion that you.
November 8, 200718 yr But how can they be so wrong, and you so right? Have they not also studied the scriptures for many, many years and come to a different conclusion that you. Along those same lines.....how can he be so right?
November 8, 200718 yr Author Along those same lines.....how can he be so right? By saying "I don't know" I don't think he was claiming to be right. I believe he was implying that he may have been wrong for many years, and that the Bible is not completely clear about EXACTLY how the redeeming power of Jesus works.
November 8, 200718 yr By saying "I don't know" I don't think he was claiming to be right. I believe he was implying that he may have been wrong for many years, and that the Bible is not completely clear about EXACTLY how the redeeming power of Jesus works. "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6) John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." And Jesus is unclear how?
November 9, 200718 yr Author "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6) John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." And Jesus is unclear how? if John's gospel is right, and Truth has a personal character, the "post-modern" quandary of subjectivity versus objectivity in truth can be regarded by Christians as largely illusory. People who think of the Truth as a Person should feel freed both from the gnostic temptation to insist that truth is too monolithic and absolute to admit relativity, and from the agnostic temptation to insist that truth is too subjective to be meaningful at all. A personal Truth would, like any person, naturally always seem different to different observers, and yet always be the same. This Johannine view of Truth could explain the shocking universalism of that gospel's opening assertion that the "light" that is Christ the Logos somehow "enlightens every human being." "What has come into being in him was life, and the life was the light of ALL people." John 1:3,4 The following is excerpted and condensed from the book The Mystic Christ. Jesus never said he was the only way. In John 14:6 we read, ”I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father except through me.” In the original Greek version of this scripture, the word for “comes” is erchetai and it is very present tense meaning it does not apply to all people for all time. This verse applied only to those people Jesus was talking to at that time. In the Aramaic Bible, Jesus’ own language, the word for “I” in this scripture is ena-ena or I-I. The meaning is not the same as ena which is an individual “I.” Ena-ena is a cosmic “I” or I AM THAT I AM (Ex. 3:13 -14). In another scripture, Jesus tells us that we make a mistake if we think he is good, “Why do you call me good?” ‘Jesus answered.’ “No one is good - except God alone.” (Luke 18:19). And again: “By myself I can do nothing.” (John 5:30). The way to reconcile “I am the way...” And “Don’t call me good...” is to understand that it is the I AM (ena-ena) that is talking in John 14:6. The I AM is bigger than Jesus in the same way that all the water on this earth is more than any individual lake. In another scripture, Jesus clearly says the only requirement for attaining eternal life is loving God and loving our neighbor: “On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. ‘Teacher,’ he asked, ‘what must I do to inherit eternal life?’ ‘What is written in the Law?’ he replied. ‘How do you read it?’ He answered: ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ‘You have answered correctly,’ Jesus replied. ‘Do this and you will live.’” (Luke 10:25-28). If believing in Jesus were necessary to attain eternal life, Jesus would have been guilty of lying to the temple official in this scripture. Not a single time did Jesus ever warn us about other religions. Rather, he said, “And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.” (Luke 9:49-50).
November 9, 200718 yr if John's gospel is right, and Truth has a personal character, the "post-modern" quandary of subjectivity versus objectivity in truth can be regarded by Christians as largely illusory. People who think of the Truth as a Person should feel freed both from the gnostic temptation to insist that truth is too monolithic and absolute to admit relativity, and from the agnostic temptation to insist that truth is too subjective to be meaningful at all. A personal Truth would, like any person, naturally always seem different to different observers, and yet always be the same. This Johannine view of Truth could explain the shocking universalism of that gospel's opening assertion that the "light" that is Christ the Logos somehow "enlightens every human being." I read no more cause I have no clue what you are saying in the first paragraph.
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