July 26, 200719 yr Scenario #1: Runners on 1st and 2nd. Runners advance safely via double steal. How is that scored for the participating parties personal stats? Runners: A) Both receive a stolen base B) Lead runner only receives stolen base c) Runner going to the base that the ball is thrown to gets a stolen base Catcher: A) Is charged with 0 stolen bases B) Is charged with 1 stolen base C) Is charged with 2 stolen bases Scenario #2: Runners on 1st and 2nd. Runners try to advance via double steal but one runner gets thrown out. How is that scored for the participating parties personal stats? Runners: A) Safe runner receives stolen base B) Depends on what happens to the lead runner C) No one receives stolen base Catcher: A) Gets credit for a throw out and charged for a steal. B) Gets credit for a throw out only C) Gets credit for a throw out only if he throws the lead runner out What do you think?
July 26, 200719 yr I would think that: Scenario #1: Runners on 1st and 2nd. Runners advance safely via double steal. How is that scored for the participating parties personal stats? Runners: A Catcher: C Scenario #2: Runners on 1st and 2nd. Runners try to advance via double steal but one runner gets thrown out. How is that scored for the participating parties personal stats? Runners: A Catcher: A
July 26, 200719 yr Scenario #1 - I'll say "B" for both, since the 2nd stolen base, would be "catcher's indifference". Scenario #2 - I'll say "C" for both. Very interesting scoring question.
July 26, 200719 yr I know both would get credit for a stolen base. I would assume that the catcher would only be charged with one SB against him as he can only throw out one runner. 2nd scenario: The safe runner gets a stolen base. Catcher gets credit for being 1/1.
July 26, 200719 yr Scenario #1 - I'll say "B" for both, since the 2nd stolen base, would be "catcher's indifference". . I don't think the indifference ruling would come into play assuming an attempt was made on one of the runners.
July 26, 200719 yr I don't think the indifference ruling would come into play assuming an attempt was made on one of the runners.Just guessing, since I've never officially seen how MLB would score this. I award SB's to both, in HS games. The catchers indifference reference, is to attempting to throw out one and not the other, so just a guess on my part. The more I think about Scenario #2, I believe it might be "B"....not sure, great questions SM....:thumb:
July 26, 200719 yr Scenario #1 - I'll say "B" for both, since the 2nd stolen base, would be "catcher's indifference". Scenario #2 - I'll say "C" for both. Very interesting scoring question. This happened with the Reds the other night and the announcers (take it for what its worth) gave both a stolen base. I would assume they were correct. I'm not sure how the scoring goes for the catcher, though. By the way, I hate catcher's indifference. Its still a stolen base, even if they catcher didn't try to stop you. If a thief breaks into my house and takes my television and I simply watch...he still stole it!
July 26, 200719 yr By the way, I hate catcher's indifference. Its still a stolen base, even if they catcher didn't try to stop you. If a thief breaks into my house and takes my television and I simply watch...he still stole it! I believe the logic being used by MLB would show the difference between their rule and your example. I think the logic is that if that the offense gains nothing, the defense doesn't even try to prevent it, and it has no impact on the game (the criteria used by what I can tell) why reward a guy for something that s/b a challenge? The defense has no interest in the runner. Nothing to lose if the guy is safe. In your example, I would assume you would have something to lose should you let your television walk out the door (in addition that stealing a base is not illegal while a television....).
July 26, 200719 yr How does the offense not gain anything? If a guy moves up from first to second, he can score on a base hit. Sure, the score would maybe go from 9-2 to 9-3, but that's still helping the offense. I think an advancement (not passed ball or wild pitch) is a steal.
July 26, 200719 yr This happened with the Reds the other night and the announcers (take it for what its worth) gave both a stolen base. I would assume they were correct. I'm not sure how the scoring goes for the catcher, though. By the way, I hate catcher's indifference. Its still a stolen base, even if they catcher didn't try to stop you. If a thief breaks into my house and takes my television and I simply watch...he still stole it! Unless a catcher throws him out.... I believe the intent of "indifference", is the lack of attempt to throw out the runner. I agree, it doesn't consider what all the runner had to do, to attempt to steal the base.
July 26, 200719 yr Unless a catcher throws him out.... I believe the intent of "indifference", is the lack of attempt to throw out the runner. I agree, it doesn't consider what all the runner had to do, to attempt to steal the base. Its not only a lack of an attempt. Sometimes you will see a catcher eat it when he has zero chance of getting him due to the pitcher's inability to hold the runner. In this case, the steal is awarded.
July 26, 200719 yr How does the offense not gain anything? If a guy moves up from first to second, he can score on a base hit. Sure, the score would maybe go from 9-2 to 9-3, but that's still helping the offense. I think an advancement (not passed ball or wild pitch) is a steal. The offense gains technically but it has zero effect on the outcome of the game. The defense simply has chosen to ignore that runner so the runner is not going to be rewarded.
July 26, 200719 yr Author Scenario #1: Runners on 1st and 2nd. Runners advance safely via double steal. How is that scored for the participating parties personal stats? Runners: A) Both receive a stolen base B) Lead runner only receives stolen base c) Runner going to the base that the ball is thrown to gets a stolen base Catcher: A) Is charged with 0 stolen bases B) Is charged with 1 stolen base C) Is charged with 2 stolen bases Scenario #2: Runners on 1st and 2nd. Runners try to advance via double steal but one runner gets thrown out. How is that scored for the participating parties personal stats? Runners: A) Safe runner receives stolen base B) Depends on what happens to the lead runner C) No one receives stolen base Catcher: A) Gets credit for a throw out and charged for a steal. B) Gets credit for a throw out only C) Gets credit for a throw out only if he throws the lead runner out It's an all or nothing scenario.
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