At which companies.

 

I realize you're being deliberately vauge, and trying to provoke hostile responses.

 

But, seriously...if you want people to understand where you're coming from, it would really help if you provided informative answers.

 

Wrong. I was very clear in my earlier post. There is unlimited potential in Eastern Kentucky for anyone that has the desire to get an education and work hard. Same as everywhere else.

So is the solution to abandon the area? Not a funny subject but many years ago Sam Kinneson did a funny bit about not sending money to help people overseas. He said to send them uhauls. "Know what this is? SAND! Know what it's going to be in a hundred years? SAND!! MOVE!"

 

I didn't say abandon the area.

 

My question was, where will the educated return to work? I don't live there, and the only area I have visited more than once was Cromona. Those trips were in the '80's. I'll admit that my trips there were eyeopening to say the least. If things have changed, PLEASE tell me! If there's more to EKY AS A WHOLE than I've seen, PLEASE enlighten me! I know there are certain towns that are doing fairly well. But what about the WHOLE of EKY?

I didn't say abandon the area.

 

My question was, where will the educated return to work? I don't live there, and the only area I have visited more than once was Cromona. Those trips were in the '80's. I'll admit that my trips there were eyeopening to say the least. If things have changed, PLEASE tell me! If there's more to EKY AS A WHOLE than I've seen, PLEASE enlighten me! I know there are certain towns that are doing fairly well. But what about the WHOLE of EKY?

 

Yes, there is more to EKY than Cromona 20+ years ago, lol...

So is the solution to abandon the area? Not a funny subject but many years ago Sam Kinneson did a funny bit about not sending money to help people overseas. He said to send them uhauls. "Know what this is? SAND! Know what it's going to be in a hundred years? SAND!! MOVE!"

 

Yes, he was talking about Ethiopia, and why people coundn't figure out why everyone was starving...Only Kinneson could make a funny joke out of millions of people starving, lol...

Yes, there is more to EKY than Cromona 20+ years ago, lol...

 

 

***sigh*** I know there is. My question is this....

 

 

There are undoubtedly certain towns, and maybe even certain areas which have changed markedly over the years.

 

Is this indicative of the entire region? Or are these anomoles?

 

If they are anomoles? What is the secret to those communities success?

 

How can they be models for other communities?

 

 

 

If the answer is that no one wants to change, and that residents of the more successfull towns/areas of Eastern Kentucky are fine with the other communities continuing to flounder, then I'll just back out of this conversation. But, I would speculate that the more success brought to all Eastern Kentucky Communities, the better for the entire region.

***sigh*** I know there is. My question is this....

 

 

There are undoubtedly certain towns, and maybe even certain areas which have changed markedly over the years.

 

Is this indicative of the entire region? Or are these anomoles?

 

If they are anomoles? What is the secret to those communities success?

 

How can they be models for other communities?

 

 

 

If the answer is that no one wants to change, and that residents of the more successfull towns/areas of Eastern Kentucky are fine with the other communities continuing to flounder, then I'll just back out of this conversation. But, I would speculate that the more success brought to all Eastern Kentucky Communities, the better for the entire region.

 

Pikeville is very nice, Cromona is an a anomaly...I think the communities do quite well, the outlying (remote) areas, not so well...

Pikeville is very nice, Cromona is an a anomaly...I think the communities do quite well, the outlying (remote) areas, not so well...

 

So, most communities in Eastern Kentucky are like Pikeville? Communities like Cromona are rare?

 

Like I said, I haven't been over that way in a LONG time, as my family who lived there moved to Grayson County. So, I'm trying to find out what the Eastern Kentucky Area (as a whole) is like today.

So, a person could go away, major in Finance, and hope to become the CFO of....????

 

Or, he/she could get an MBA, and become a high level manager at....????

 

Or, he/she could major in Computer Programming, and become the corporate IT person for....???

 

Or, they could go to culinary school and get a job as a chef at...???

 

Or, they could major in International Law, and become the corporate legal counsel for....????

Yes.

Instead of just saying, "Yes," can you fill in one of the blanks?

So, most communities in Eastern Kentucky are like Pikeville? Communities like Cromona are rare?

 

Like I said, I haven't been over that way in a LONG time, as my family who lived there moved to Grayson County. So, I'm trying to find out what the Eastern Kentucky Area (as a whole) is like today.

 

Lots of positives, lots of problems. Bigger disparity between upper/middle and lower classes than you see most places. I would say the towns of Pikeville, Paintsville, Hazard, etc. have many more positives than negatives...If you have any friends/family connected with Lou. Holy Cross, you should come up to Pikeville for the football game and check it out for yourself and see what you think! I think you would see a lot that would surprise and impress you, and see a few things that could use some improvement...

BRJB, You are missing the point on Rockmom's post totally. The towns you mentioned have come long way in the last twenty I agree, but really haven't brought in big paying jobs.

 

Now as for the 12k a year, How many do you know that work at fast food and convenience stores that actually work 40 hours a week. Very few, and if you check with the major chains of these establishments most consider full-time if they work 32 hours or more. The figure also includes workers that are unemployed which we know that unemployment rates in EKY are well above the state and national levels. So 32 x 6.00/hr x 52 = $9,984 and that is if all these people don't take vacations or time off.

 

The post she posted about going to college and getting degrees and becoming CFO, IT techs, or other very good paying jobs. She was asking you what companies that are in EKY that hire these people on a regular basis. I think those jobs are very few and far between.

 

EKY, has come along way but they still have along way to go. I am from East Kentucky and very proud of that, but there are not good paying jobs for people that don't have degrees and that is why alot of people move to bigger cities or as I was taught in school the 3 R's : Reading , wRiting, and Route 23 to Columbus.

BRJB, You are missing the point on Rockmom's post totally. The towns you mentioned have come long way in the last twenty I agree, but really haven't brought in big paying jobs.

 

Now as for the 12k a year, How many do you know that work at fast food and convenience stores that actually work 40 hours a week. Very few, and if you check with the major chains of these establishments most consider full-time if they work 32 hours or more. The figure also includes workers that are unemployed which we know that unemployment rates in EKY are well above the state and national levels. So 32 x 6.00/hr x 52 = $9,984 and that is if all these people don't take vacations or time off.

 

The post she posted about going to college and getting degrees and becoming CFO, IT techs, or other very good paying jobs. She was asking you what companies that are in EKY that hire these people on a regular basis. I think those jobs are very few and far between.

 

EKY, has come along way but they still have along way to go. I am from East Kentucky and very proud of that, but there are not good paying jobs for people that don't have degrees and that is why alot of people move to bigger cities or as I was taught in school the 3 R's : Reading , wRiting, and Route 23 to Columbus.

I totally agree. Counties are big , with gas prices people can't drive very far to a job. 40 hr a week is rare or unheard of . No large companies to hire you , no big businesses for you to walk up and get a high ranking job, even the school system , one must start as a teacher , if you can get a position, and work your way up with many years put in. There are no large co. , not many small ones that would pay much. I would hope that one of these days someone would come up with a way for the backward people to come out and ..... do something .

BRJB, You are missing the point on Rockmom's post totally. The towns you mentioned have come long way in the last twenty I agree, but really haven't brought in big paying jobs.

 

Now as for the 12k a year, How many do you know that work at fast food and convenience stores that actually work 40 hours a week. Very few, and if you check with the major chains of these establishments most consider full-time if they work 32 hours or more. The figure also includes workers that are unemployed which we know that unemployment rates in EKY are well above the state and national levels. So 32 x 6.00/hr x 52 = $9,984 and that is if all these people don't take vacations or time off.

 

The post she posted about going to college and getting degrees and becoming CFO, IT techs, or other very good paying jobs. She was asking you what companies that are in EKY that hire these people on a regular basis. I think those jobs are very few and far between.

 

EKY, has come along way but they still have along way to go. I am from East Kentucky and very proud of that, but there are not good paying jobs for people that don't have degrees and that is why alot of people move to bigger cities or as I was taught in school the 3 R's : Reading , wRiting, and Route 23 to Columbus.

 

I totally agree. Counties are big , with gas prices people can't drive very far to a job. 40 hr a week is rare or unheard of . No large companies to hire you , no big businesses for you to walk up and get a high ranking job, even the school system , one must start as a teacher , if you can get a position, and work your way up with many years put in. There are no large co. , not many small ones that would pay much. I would hope that one of these days someone would come up with a way for the backward people to come out and ..... do something .

 

Thank you both for understanding what I was asking.

 

I sincerely am NOT trying to slam Eastern Kentucky. Other parts of the state face similar issues, just not to the same degree. I am not at all trying to say I know more about Eastern Kentucky than anyone who lives there. That's the whole point of asking the questions I've asked.

 

I do not in any way think that everyone in Eastern Kentucky is an impoverished, uneducated hillbillie.

 

In the other thread, BRJB mentioned more millionaires per capita in Eastern Kentucky. That's wonderful for those people. But, I'd love to know how that negates the statistical data showing that poverty rates lead the state, and how the median income is below the median income for the state as a whole if there aren't more people living in poverty than rich millionaires.

 

And, what industry are the millionaires involved in?

 

I think that it would be more beneficial for any part of the state to be able to say that the citizens of it's region are able to live comfortably, than to say that there are more millionaires per capita. To be frank, I was mildly astounded to see the statistics for Oldham County, for instance. I pretty much realize there's no way I'd ever be able to live there. I couldn't afford the real estate! :lol:

 

My family lives in Grayson County. They aren't on the upper end of the statistisc, relative to poverty rates, they're "middle of the pack". But I see enough "real life" from my family who lives there to know that there are worse-case scenarios, and best-case scenarios. One thing that keeps the Grayson County area from dropping into the higher category, IMO, is their proximity to E-Town, Bowling Green and Louisville. People regulary drive from 30-100 miles a day, each way, to work. But, if someone wants to work in Grayson County, opportunities are extremely limited, especially on the upper end of the pay scale.

Back to the original question, does anyone see any real benefits from Edward's visit?

Back to the original question, does anyone see any real benefits from Edward's visit?

His visit, brings state and national attention, to many aspects that plaque most states....Education, affordable insurance, jobs, wages, quality of life.

 

At the same time, any political visits prior to an election, are what they are....to rally votes. If more politicians, government agencies, lobbyists and business leaders, would work together and not let partisan politics, stand in the way....Kentucky and every state, would prosper in all regions.

His visit, brings state and national attention, to many aspects that plaque most states....Education, affordable insurance, jobs, wages, quality of life.

 

At the same time, any political visits prior to an election, are what they are....to rally votes. If more politicians, government agencies, lobbyists and business leaders, would work together and not let partisan politics, stand in the way....Kentucky and every state, would prosper in all regions.

 

Good post. However, two thoughts come to me as I read it:

 

All those items you mentioned would apply to almost any area.

 

We pay a high price for such attention in terms of proliferation of the stereotype.