So if UK doesn't make the FF 1 out of every 2 years, they aren't living up to expectations??? If that's so, you aren't going to be satisfied regardless of who the coach is....

 

Not true, because I was satisfied in the 1990's (including Tubby's 98-99 seasons). Up until the UAB loss in 04, I was a staunch defender of Tubby Smith. I still believe he would be a great coach for a Georgia-type of school (mid-major type team in a major conference).

So if UK doesn't make the FF 1 out of every 2 years, they aren't living up to expectations???

So what if they are right smack in the middle of a school record, Final Four drought

Not true, because I was satisfied in the 1990's (including Tubby's 98-99 seasons). Up until the UAB loss in 04, I was a staunch defender of Tubby Smith. I still believe he would be a great coach for a Georgia-type of school (mid-major type team in a major conference).

 

 

You just said you want them to contend regularly. Then went on to say that making the final four half the time was doing so. So based off what you've said, if they don't make the final four 4 times in 8 years, they aren't contending regularly, thus failing to meet your expectations.

 

Once again, that is unrealistic.

How Doug Gottlieb has a job I'll never understand, that guy is a complete disgrace to his profession....And before you bring it up, I've felt this way long before he started in on UK.

 

On this we agree. While Gottlieb is right that UK hasn't really beaten anybody, his argument of "beating the bottom-half of the conference" falls terribly short. If Missouri State played our conference schedule, they wouldn't have beaten the bottom half of the conference.

 

Yes, we've both failed to beat the elite in the conference, but the conferences are vastly different.

You just said you want them to contend regularly. Then went on to say that making the final four half the time was doing so. So based off what you've said, if they don't make the final four 4 times in 8 years, they aren't contending regularly, thus failing to meet your expectations.

 

Once again, that is unrealistic.

 

It's not unrealistic, because as I said, I was happy in the 1990's.

So what if they are right smack in the middle of a school record, Final Four drought

 

If you use FFs as a measuring stick of success then yeah that's not living up to expectations, but making a FF every other year is unrealistic.

 

BTW, I don't judge a season's success on whether they make the FF.

Who cares about final fours. If you don't with the whole thing whats the difference. You can say well we were in the top 4. Well thats great but you didn't win.

Who cares about final fours. If you don't with the whole thing whats the difference. You can say well we were in the top 4. Well thats great but you didn't win.

Alright....he has one championship, HIS VERY FIRST YEAR...and not a sniff since...per your new rules.

If you use FFs as a measuring stick of success then yeah that's not living up to expectations, but making a FF every other year is unrealistic.

 

BTW, I don't judge a season's success on whether they make the FF.

 

I guess that's where we disagree. I judge a season's success based on the Final 4. This is because I'm a UK fan, and Final 4's are a part of our history. It would be no different if I were a fan at Duke, North Carolina, UCLA or Kansas.

 

Understand, I never stated that making a final four EVERY OTHER YEAR was the measuring stick. I just cited Pitino's record as one example. Tom Izzo would be another example. He's got a title and several final fours. Was he down last year? Yes. Is he down this year? Yes. But again, he's coached in three, maybe four more final weekends than Tubby. It's all about final fours with me.

 

If Tubby had taken UK to the final four in 03, 04, or 05 we would not be having this conversation right now (though others would probably be bashers).

Alright....he has one championship, HIS VERY FIRST YEAR...and not a sniff since...per your new rules.

Fine with me. I'm not bashing anyone. I think all is ok in UKland.

= I think all is ok in UKland.

This is obviously not true...in reality.

Tough one to swallow, questionable call on Thomas and the lane violation

 

Agreed. You cannot call it a violation on the player if he left the lane legally simply because he's not past the arc. Get the ball back. Get everyone set. Resume.

 

The head of SEC officials stated that the ball has to be in the shooter's hands for it to be a violation...............and it clearly was not. I find it hard to fathom that the officials did not get together and get the call right

 

Just to clarify:

 

After the shooter caught the ball, one of the Kentucky players left his designated lane spot, which caused the violation," Boudreaux said. "The violation occurred at the time the player caught the ball. The players on the designated spots are frozen until the shot goes off. So the violation occurred, and by rule, the officials wiped out the opportunity for the shot and awarded the ball to Mississippi State. The violation occurs when the player catches the ball. It is now, by definition, at his disposal, once he catches it. There cannot be any violation until that point.

 

"When (Meeks) received the ball, (Thomas) was not in a designated spot, which causes him to be in violation once the ball reaches the shooter. He got caught, so to speak, in no man's land. He tried coming back, but coming back would not have taken him out of violating the free-throw situation. He was clearly out of the designated spot."

 

 

"The official that threw the ball to the free-throw shooter, he put his hands on (his shoulder) to get the ball back to him," Boudreaux said. "He was not aware of the violation. He wanted the ball back. What he was signaling is, 'Give me the ball back.'

 

"He wants timeout to stop play and get his crew together to find out what actually happened. Has he violated? Where do we go from there? It's no re-do. It's, by rule, a violation. That was the only option that was available to the officials on the floor."

 

 

"It is by rule a violation," Boudreaux said. "There's no leeway there. It's cut-and-dried that if he's not in the designated lane spot, it is by rule a violation, and the officials have no option as far as enforcement."

This is obviously not true...in reality.

Why is that. We have some good recruits coming in next year(hopefully). We have some good progress on the 08 class. I think we will be ok.

Well,

 

At least we are probably 2-3 more games away from the off season. Until we make staffing changes, and improve the talent and our freaken offensive scheme, we are going to see these threads for years to come. Although with Morris all but out the door, im afraid to look ahead to next year.

Why is that. We have some good recruits coming in next year(hopefully). We have some good progress on the 08 class. I think we will be ok.

 

Who exactly do we have coming in?