We're not talking citizenship. We're talking entry into the country. What's wrong with doing it legally?

 

Don't many/most want to seek citizenship? Isn't that why they enter into our country - to find a better way to support their family and a better place to live?

Minnesota can become the state of 1,000 lakes and mines.

 

An extremely funny point to a very serious topic!

Well I am hit and miss on the topic of illegal immigration. If America was fed up enough about it there would be something done about it. As it is, their willingness to work for so little helps keep prices down a bit in certain industries.

 

Of course, MY solution for halting illegal immigration involves minefields with pillboxes strategically laid out. If overpopulation is part of the problem down there in number of jobs available, then this ought to go a long way in solving that problem.

 

That is not something I think needs to be done, but if people want it stopped; minefields would be more cost effective than training new border patrol.

 

As far as I am concerned, this isn't as big a deal as people many people make of it.

Welcome to East Berlin circa 1961

Probably. I would assume that you mean that word to have a negative connotation. However, I do my part, regardless of how tiny that is on a grand scheme, to back up my beliefs.

 

 

Indeed you do, and I rather enjoy this discourse. I consider idealism without intellectual backing to be misplaced and naive. Yours I respect. :thumb:

Well if we are going to kill everyone that does something illegal, let's start with the drivers who make the roads unsafe for me and my family by drinking and driving. Is that the road we want to go down in this country? Kill the criminals?

 

 

Well there is a difference here as they are not American citizens or legal aliens.

An extremely funny point to a very serious topic!

 

 

Indeed! :lol:

Welcome to East Berlin circa 1961

 

 

Explain the similarity please. East Berlin built their wall and guarded it to keep their people IN. I am not suggesting a wall at all. Landmines can be easier and cheaper to deploy anyway. And I assume you didn't read post #21 either.

Don't many/most want to seek citizenship? Isn't that why they enter into our country - to find a better way to support their family and a better place to live?

No. Most of them come here to work to earn hard currency to send back to their Latin homes. Not all are working for cash under the table. A great number of them obtain phoney documents that enables them to get legitimate jobs. That is until February. That's when W-2s get submitted to the Social Security Administration and they send out notices to employers of invalid social security numbers. By then the illegals have moved on to the next job. They also give their employers W-4's that cause very little tax to be withheld from their paycheck. And what they earn doesn't help our economy because most of it leaves the U.S.

 

I'm fine with fixing the law to meet our needs. But if we make it easier to be legal, we should also make it harder to be illegal.

I would make the assumption that it would be alot easier to come across from Canada instead of Mexico. You going to mine those NOrthern states too. Minnesota can become the state of 1,000 lakes and mines.

 

 

Point 1) I already commented on it.

Point 2) That is an amusing thought.

No. Most of them come here to work to earn hard currency to send back to their Latin homes. Not all are working for cash under the table. A great number of them obtain phoney documents that enables them to get legitimate jobs. That is until February. That's when W-2s get submitted to the Social Security Administration and they send out notices to employers of invalid social security numbers. By then the illegals have moved on to the next job. They also give their employers W-4's that cause very little tax to be withheld from their paycheck. And what they earn doesn't help our economy because most of it leaves the U.S.

 

I'm fine with fixing the law to meet our needs. But if we make it easier to be legal, we should also make it harder to be illegal.

 

I certainly agree with the bolded part.

 

So, HHSDad and others, what do you think of a "guest workers" pass?

Indeed you do, and I rather enjoy this discourse. I consider idealism without intellectual backing to be misplaced and naive. Yours I respect. :thumb:

 

I do, too. I like to continually challenge my intellect AND my idealism - to keep the first one fresh and the second one true! :thumb:

I certainly agree with the bolded part.

 

So, HHSDad and others, what do you think of a "guest workers" pass?

I honestly don't have an answer to fix the law, but I'm not against a guest worker program. I would do several things. All foreign workers would have tax withheld at the highest tax bracket. This gives you more assurance that they will file a tax return and is something I've seen other countries do. I would not withhold or pay FICA and Medicare on them, nor would they rececive benefits later.

 

I also think the passes would need to be carefully monitored. That means finding out how many guest workers we need and in what industries. You would then allow a sufficient number of workers in to work in those areas ONLY. If you think these rules are tough, try finding a job in the European Community if you don't come from there.

I certainly agree with the bolded part.

 

So, HHSDad and others, what do you think of a "guest workers" pass?

 

 

My opinion on the matter matches HHSDad's. No further input needed from me on that specific topic.

I honestly don't have an answer to fix the law, but I'm not against a guest worker program. I would do several things. All foreign workers would have tax withheld at the highest tax bracket. This gives you more assurance that they will file a tax return and is something I've seen other countries do. I would not withhold or pay FICA and Medicare on them, nor would they rececive benefits later.

 

I also think the passes would need to be carefully monitored. That means finding out how many guest workers we need and in what industries. You would then allow a sufficient number of workers in to work in those areas ONLY. If you think these rules are tough, try finding a job in the European Community if you don't come from there.

One of the things that I found ironically interesting is that the foreign workers MOVE to where the jobs are while American citizens EXPECT the jobs to move to them.

One of the things that I found ironically interesting is that the foreign workers MOVE to where the jobs are while American citizens EXPECT the jobs to move to them.

:thumb: :thumb: Lets not also forget the amount of times that Americans have priced themselves out of jobs because they expect greater than equiliberium wages for their task, aka the UAW.