There are more in-depth explanations than the one I'm about to give...but to put it simply- logic.

Does this mean that you-or certain atheists you're speaking on behalf of-believe that those who do believe in God are illogical?

Does this mean that you-or certain atheists you're speaking on behalf of-believe that those who do believe in God are illogical?

 

 

I'm relaying the message from atheists that I've spoken to, which are quite a few. I suppose you could say that they think God is illogical.

There are more in-depth explanations than the one I'm about to give...but to put it simply- logic.

 

Then my logic would conclude that they don't want to believe in God. If they wanted to there is nothing that would keep them from it, logic included.

 

You can use "logic" to argue both the existence or absence of God, depending on which view you hold and which point you're trying to prove.

I suppose you could say that they think God is illogical.

I would imagine that the thought/feeling is mutual.

I'm relaying the message from atheists that I've spoken to, which are quite a few. I suppose you could say that they think God is illogical.

And what is their logical view of how we got here.

 

There just happened to be a puddle of the EXACT amount of chemicals at the EXACT location at the EXACT time that was hit by the EXACT amount of electrical charge through a bolt of lightning. That doesn't take a leap of faith to believe and it really logical. :irked:

Let's be clear on this..I'm not supporting atheists...so if you're all aiming all that at me..chill out.

 

However, there are good arguments for either side.

 

And to directly address 5wide-you can argue either way, but you can't prove either of them. Sure people may WANT to believe in a God, but if you can't prove it, then half-believing for the purpose of "just-in-case" not right. So I think it would be accurate to say that they can't believe in a God. Believing out of fear is no reason to believe.

Believing out of fear is no reason to believe.

Fear is a pretty good reason to run from a wild grizzly bear however. :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

According to Psalms 111:10 - "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding."

Let's be clear on this..I'm not supporting atheists...so if you're all aiming all that at me..chill out.

 

However, there are good arguments for either side.

 

And to directly address 5wide-you can argue either way, but you can't prove either of them. Sure people may WANT to believe in a God, but if you can't prove it, then half-believing for the purpose of "just-in-case" not right. So I think it would be accurate to say that they can't believe in a God. Believing out of fear is no reason to believe.

I see where you're coming from. I've struggled with this since my college days.

According to Psalms 111:10 - "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding."

 

You're assuming these people believe what the Bible says is the truth.

You're assuming these people believe what the Bible says is the truth.

No... I gave up on that a long time ago.

 

I'm assuming that I believe that the Bible is true.

 

There are many verses of scripture that mention "the fear of the Lord" as a very good thing... and in this event, we are told that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Not ultimate wisdom mind you, but certainly the beginning.

 

Bottom line, it is wise to acknowledge God, and to recognize his awesome strength. Of course... everyone is free to choose as they wish. I urge everyone to choose wisely. :thumb:

No... I gave up on that a long time ago.

 

I'm assuming that I believe that the Bible is true.

 

There are many verses of scripture that mention "the fear of the Lord" as a very good thing... and in this event, we are told that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Not ultimate wisdom mind you, but certainly the beginning.

 

Bottom line, it is wise to acknowledge God, and to recognize his awesome strength. Of course... everyone is free to choose as they wish. I urge everyone to choose wisely. :thumb:

Kind of like the respectful fear I had of my dad. He always treated me with love and kindness, but I always knew that he'd rip my arm off and beat me with the wet end if I really needed and deserved it.

Let's be clear on this..I'm not supporting atheists...so if you're all aiming all that at me..chill out.

 

However, there are good arguments for either side.

 

And to directly address 5wide-you can argue either way, but you can't prove either of them. Sure people may WANT to believe in a God, but if you can't prove it, then half-believing for the purpose of "just-in-case" not right. So I think it would be accurate to say that they can't believe in a God. Believing out of fear is no reason to believe.

 

Which goes back to my point, that you can use logic either way...I just can't agree with the statement that there are people who want to believe in God (or a God) but can't. I maintain that if they wanted to they could and would...

 

If a person wants to believe in God, there is more than enough evidence to support that belief. If they don't want to, then there is enough doubt to convince them that He doesn't exist.

 

BTW, I wasn't trying to single you out or be disrespectful....only stating my case that when it comes to belief in God, there is nothing to stop a person from doing what they want to do.

Which goes back to my point, that you can use logic either way...I just can't agree with the statement that there are people who want to believe in God (or a God) but can't. I maintain that if they wanted to they could and would...

 

If a person wants to believe in God, there is more than enough evidence to support that belief. If they don't want to, then there is enough doubt to convince them that He doesn't exist.

 

BTW, I wasn't trying to single you out or be disrespectful....only stating my case that when it comes to belief in God, there is nothing to stop a person from doing what they want to do.

 

Wanting to believe there is a God doesn't allow the person to ignore logic against a God. Trust me, I've had long conversations with this person and I can assure you he wants, but cannot believe in one.

Wanting to believe there is a God doesn't allow the person to ignore logic against a God. Trust me, I've had long conversations with this person and I can assure you he wants, but cannot believe in one.

 

I think some of the disagreement between 5Wide and HHSballer is due to the application of the question. HHSBaller is answering the question in a specific case (apparently a personal friend), while 5Wide is asking the question in a universal sense.

 

In my opinion, in this instance, both are probably correct. In the case of an individual, that person may not be able to believe, in spite of a deep desire to.

 

In the larger picture (as I believe 5Wide is addressing), I think that a person relying solely on logic and rational thought could never come to a conclusion as to the existence of God. Without empirical evidence, logic and rational thought alone would not lead one to believe in the existence of God (some amount of faith would be required to reach that conclusion). Likewise, based solely on logic and rational thought, one would not be able to conclude with certainty that God does not exist (logically speaking, it is impossible to prove a universal negative).

 

 

Frances

I think some of the disagreement between 5Wide and HHSballer is due to the application of the question. HHSBaller is answering the question in a specific case (apparently a personal friend), while 5Wide is asking the question in a universal sense.

 

In my opinion, in this instance, both are probably correct. In the case of an individual, that person may not be able to believe, in spite of a deep desire to.

 

In the larger picture (as I believe 5Wide is addressing), I think that a person relying solely on logic and rational thought could never come to a conclusion as to the existence of God. Without empirical evidence, logic and rational thought alone would not lead one to believe in the existence of God (some amount of faith would be required to reach that conclusion). Likewise, based solely on logic and rational thought, one would not be able to conclude with certainty that God does not exist (logically speaking, it is impossible to prove a universal negative).

 

 

Frances

 

You should be a transcript writer for Fox:laugh: