6 minutes ago, StevnASmith said:

That’s starting to clarify a little. So based on this, where does Feagan and Breeden fit in this scenario? 

Good question, let me get settled in at my desk and I’ll have a response here in a little bit.

4 minutes ago, Adrian Woj Burner said:

Good question, let me get settled in at my desk and I’ll have a response here in a little bit.

Please do….

If I was a coach in the 8th region, I'm pretty certain I could tell you the players on each team that has been doing damage all year. That's if we have played them or not. I'm just a fan and can tell you the best couple of players on each squad. By just reading Adrians report each week gives you a heads up. I know I might be a little biased since being from the same county as Feagan and Breeden. I said a month ago that Feagan would play quality minutes for any team in the region. He would start for most teams. We know Hammonds is the heart of Braves basketball but Spencer brings that energy . I've seen him really coming on since the first of the year. They're is no perfect system for picking an all regional team. And I`m not saying any one of these kids don't deserve it, but will say I think these two guys numbers match up favorably with many of the picks.

Okay, here is the top 15 scorers in the region, and if they made the all-region team or not. Notice that of the 15 scorers, 10 made the list, and 5 did not. The highest one of the group being Colton Feagan, who was 7th in the region in scoring coming in at 19.9 ppg. 

Name	Team	PPG	All Region?
Moore, Teagan	Owen County	31.3	Yes
Hammonds, Dylan	Grant County	26.3	Yes
Green, Max	Oldham County	23.6	Yes
Wilcoxson, James Thomas	Trimble County	22.9	Yes
Erhardt, Luke	Spencer County	22.7	Yes
Johnson, Jasper	Woodford County	21.8	Yes
Feagan, Colton	Williamstown	19.9	No
Goodin, Kenyon	Collins	19.8	Yes
Ruzanka, Josh	Eminence	18.8	No
Horn, Ethan	Trimble County	18.8	No
Dossett, Kellen	Gallatin County	18.6	No
Roberts, Dallas	North Oldham	18.2	Yes
Miles, Julian	South Oldham	17.7	Yes
Gutman, Aaron	Walton-Verona	17.5	Yes
Ritchey, Dillon	Shelby County	16.8	No

 

Now, here is a look at the all-region team in order of votes aqquired, and how they rank among scoring within the region. 

Name	Team	PPG	Scoring Rank
Teagan Moore	Owen County	31.3	1
Dallas Roberts	North Oldham	18.2	12
Dylan Hammonds	Grant County	26.3	2
Kenyon Goodin	Collins	19.8	8
Max Green	Oldham County	23.6	3
Jasper Johnson	Woodford County	21.8	6
Luke Erhardt	Spencer County	22.7	5
Luke Anderson	North Oldham	12.2	32
Gabe Dynes	Simon Kenton	12.4	30
Travis Krohman	Simon Kenton	15.5	19
Aaron Gutman	Walton-Verona	17.5	14
Ian Higdon	North Oldham	10.9	44
Julian Miles	South Oldham	17.7	13
Quintin Simmons	Collins	11.7	36
Julian Dixon	Walton-Verona	13.6	17
JT Wilcoxson	Trimble County	22.9	4

 

I think my biggest takeaway from these two spreadsheets is that scoring does not matter as much as people think when voting occurs. 

One big aspect of this seems to be the level of the team you play on. When you look at the first list, every player left off of the all-region roster played on a middle to bottom tier team. Outside of JT Wilcoxson and Julian Miles every player that did make it on the roster out on the 1st list played for one of the top-tier teams in the region. 

Another name mentioned was Spencer Breeden. As of today, he ranks 28th in the region coming in at 13.4 ppg. Players above him in scoring that also did not make the all-region list are Honore Yangoua (Williamstown), Matthew Griffin (Gallatin County), Carter Krohman (Walton-Verona), Gunner Feagan (Williamstown), Elijiah League (Eminence), Joey Frasure (Anderson County), Brax Ward (Owen County), Camden Cox (Spencer County), and Luke Amburgey(Oldham County). 

8 minutes ago, Adrian Woj Burner said:

 

Okay, here is the top 15 scorers in the region, and if they made the all-region team or not. Notice that of the 15 scorers, 10 made the list, and 5 did not. The highest one of the group being Colton Feagan, who was 7th in the region in scoring coming in at 19.9 ppg. 

Name	Team	PPG	All Region?
Moore, Teagan	Owen County	31.3	Yes
Hammonds, Dylan	Grant County	26.3	Yes
Green, Max	Oldham County	23.6	Yes
Wilcoxson, James Thomas	Trimble County	22.9	Yes
Erhardt, Luke	Spencer County	22.7	Yes
Johnson, Jasper	Woodford County	21.8	Yes
Feagan, Colton	Williamstown	19.9	No
Goodin, Kenyon	Collins	19.8	Yes
Ruzanka, Josh	Eminence	18.8	No
Horn, Ethan	Trimble County	18.8	No
Dossett, Kellen	Gallatin County	18.6	No
Roberts, Dallas	North Oldham	18.2	Yes
Miles, Julian	South Oldham	17.7	Yes
Gutman, Aaron	Walton-Verona	17.5	Yes
Ritchey, Dillon	Shelby County	16.8	No

 

Now, here is a look at the all-region team in order of votes aqquired, and how they rank among scoring within the region. 

 

Name	Team	PPG	Scoring Rank
Teagan Moore	Owen County	31.3	1
Dallas Roberts	North Oldham	18.2	12
Dylan Hammonds	Grant County	26.3	2
Kenyon Goodin	Collins	19.8	8
Max Green	Oldham County	23.6	3
Jasper Johnson	Woodford County	21.8	6
Luke Erhardt	Spencer County	22.7	5
Luke Anderson	North Oldham	12.2	32
Gabe Dynes	Simon Kenton	12.4	30
Travis Krohman	Simon Kenton	15.5	19
Aaron Gutman	Walton-Verona	17.5	14
Ian Higdon	North Oldham	10.9	44
Julian Miles	South Oldham	17.7	13
Quintin Simmons	Collins	11.7	36
Julian Dixon	Walton-Verona	13.6	17
JT Wilcoxson	Trimble County	22.9	4

 

I think my biggest takeaway from these two spreadsheets is that scoring does not matter as much as people think when voting occurs. 

One big aspect of this seems to be the level of the team you play on. When you look at the first list, every player left off of the all-region roster played on a middle to bottom tier team. Outside of JT Wilcoxson and Julian Miles every player that did make it on the roster out on the 1st list played for one of the top-tier teams in the region. 

Another name mentioned was Spencer Breeden. As of today, he ranks 28th in the region coming in at 13.4 ppg. Players above him in scoring that also did not make the all-region list are Honore Yangoua (Williamstown), Matthew Griffin (Gallatin County), Carter Krohman (Walton-Verona), Gunner Feagan (Williamstown), Elijiah League (Eminence), Joey Frasure (Anderson County), Brax Ward (Owen County), Camden Cox (Spencer County), and Luke Amburgey(Oldham County). 

Surprised Amburgey didn’t make it. Scores. Rebounds. And must have set some sort of record for most charges taken in a season.

3 minutes ago, Hoopstars said:

Surprised Amburgey didn’t make it. Scores. Rebounds. And must have set some sort of record for most charges taken in a season.

Amburgey was my personal biggest name not on the list. Every game that I have watched of Oldham County he has made a huge impact in the game, and majority of these impacts are not on a KHSAA stat sheet. 

41 minutes ago, Adrian Woj Burner said:

 

Okay, here is the top 15 scorers in the region, and if they made the all-region team or not. Notice that of the 15 scorers, 10 made the list, and 5 did not. The highest one of the group being Colton Feagan, who was 7th in the region in scoring coming in at 19.9 ppg. 

Name	Team	PPG	All Region?
Moore, Teagan	Owen County	31.3	Yes
Hammonds, Dylan	Grant County	26.3	Yes
Green, Max	Oldham County	23.6	Yes
Wilcoxson, James Thomas	Trimble County	22.9	Yes
Erhardt, Luke	Spencer County	22.7	Yes
Johnson, Jasper	Woodford County	21.8	Yes
Feagan, Colton	Williamstown	19.9	No
Goodin, Kenyon	Collins	19.8	Yes
Ruzanka, Josh	Eminence	18.8	No
Horn, Ethan	Trimble County	18.8	No
Dossett, Kellen	Gallatin County	18.6	No
Roberts, Dallas	North Oldham	18.2	Yes
Miles, Julian	South Oldham	17.7	Yes
Gutman, Aaron	Walton-Verona	17.5	Yes
Ritchey, Dillon	Shelby County	16.8	No

 

Now, here is a look at the all-region team in order of votes aqquired, and how they rank among scoring within the region. 

 

Name	Team	PPG	Scoring Rank
Teagan Moore	Owen County	31.3	1
Dallas Roberts	North Oldham	18.2	12
Dylan Hammonds	Grant County	26.3	2
Kenyon Goodin	Collins	19.8	8
Max Green	Oldham County	23.6	3
Jasper Johnson	Woodford County	21.8	6
Luke Erhardt	Spencer County	22.7	5
Luke Anderson	North Oldham	12.2	32
Gabe Dynes	Simon Kenton	12.4	30
Travis Krohman	Simon Kenton	15.5	19
Aaron Gutman	Walton-Verona	17.5	14
Ian Higdon	North Oldham	10.9	44
Julian Miles	South Oldham	17.7	13
Quintin Simmons	Collins	11.7	36
Julian Dixon	Walton-Verona	13.6	17
JT Wilcoxson	Trimble County	22.9	4

 

I think my biggest takeaway from these two spreadsheets is that scoring does not matter as much as people think when voting occurs. 

One big aspect of this seems to be the level of the team you play on. When you look at the first list, every player left off of the all-region roster played on a middle to bottom tier team. Outside of JT Wilcoxson and Julian Miles every player that did make it on the roster out on the 1st list played for one of the top-tier teams in the region. 

Another name mentioned was Spencer Breeden. As of today, he ranks 28th in the region coming in at 13.4 ppg. Players above him in scoring that also did not make the all-region list are Honore Yangoua (Williamstown), Matthew Griffin (Gallatin County), Carter Krohman (Walton-Verona), Gunner Feagan (Williamstown), Elijiah League (Eminence), Joey Frasure (Anderson County), Brax Ward (Owen County), Camden Cox (Spencer County), and Luke Amburgey(Oldham County). 

I see what you are saying, but it's not really in contravention with what I was saying earlier.  When I said, basically, scoring is the only stat that matters, I wasn't suggesting that the coaches simply listed the top 16 scorers from the Region and picked them.  I was saying, they basically decided which player or players from a given team by looking at points per game.  If a team was only good enough to warrant 1 player selected, then they took that team's leading scorer.  If a team was good enough to get 2 players, they took the two leading scorers.  And in North Oldham's case, which I agree deserved 3 players, they took the top 3 scorers on that team.  I like Amburgey a lot, but at 15-14, I suspect the voters just didn't think OC should have 2 players.    

9 minutes ago, Mojocat said:

I see what you are saying, but it's not really in contravention with what I was saying earlier.  When I said, basically, scoring is the only stat that matters, I wasn't suggesting that the coaches simply listed the top 16 scorers from the Region and picked them.  I was saying, they basically decided which player or players from a given team by looking at points per game.  If a team was only good enough to warrant 1 player selected, then they took that team's leading scorer.  If a team was good enough to get 2 players, they took the two leading scorers.  And in North Oldham's case, which I agree deserved 3 players, they took the top 3 scorers on that team.  I like Amburgey a lot, but at 15-14, I suspect the voters just didn't think OC should have 2 players.    

I know, but @StevnASmith said he wanted to see where both Feagan and Breeden matched up in the scoring column. 
I would think that it is pretty common sense that your players on the all-region roster will be a leading scorer on the team. I could see an exception, but probably only if it is within a 1-2 point difference of the leading scorer on the team. 

I am sure that if you go back many years, and go to other regions the same will apply with them. 

20 minutes ago, Adrian Woj Burner said:

I know, but @StevnASmith said he wanted to see where both Feagan and Breeden matched up in the scoring column. 
I would think that it is pretty common sense that your players on the all-region roster will be a leading scorer on the team. I could see an exception, but probably only if it is within a 1-2 point difference of the leading scorer on the team. 

I am sure that if you go back many years, and go to other regions the same will apply with them. 

Good players at small schools who don’t play well above 500 get overlooked. Once in a while one might get a look. Looking at your spreadsheet there are definitely players who got snubbed, Feagan probably the biggest. 

58 minutes ago, StevnASmith said:

Good players at small schools who don’t play well above 500 get overlooked. Once in a while one might get a look. Looking at your spreadsheet there are definitely players who got snubbed, Feagan probably the biggest. 

I agree, they are overlooked. But I can see the reasoning behind it from the coaches when they are placing their votes. It is not fair to these kids in small schools, but like I said earlier it will never be perfect. 

Maybe there could be an All-A all-region team to give these kids some sort of recognition? 

Teams that struggle are not gonna get a player on there unless they are crushing the scoring column.  Amburgey was definitely the biggest snub.  If the Demons had a better record and had upset a good team, Feagan would have probably made it.

I’m wondering if NO would have gotten a 4th player if Scales has been healthy this year?

Amburgey (Oldham), Feagan (Williamstown) both are notable omissions.  Good arguments for some others.  Seriously, though, tough year for the voters.   There's a LOT of talent in this region this year.   Adding one removes another.