Kind of looks like the Dems in both houses should be able to get pretty much of whatever they want. If W wants to be an obstructionist, they can start the investigations.

Kind of looks like the Dems in both houses should be able to get pretty much of whatever they want. If W wants to be an obstructionist, they can start the investigations.

 

They ought to finish all the investigations they already have going on before they undertake another one. Bush will do what he thinks is right and let the Dems whine like they always to. No one afraid of a Dem investigation anymore, it's getting to be like the boy who cried wolf...:laugh:

They ought to finish all the investigations they already have going on before they undertake another one. Bush will do what he thinks is right and let the Dems whine like they always to. No one afraid of a Dem investigation anymore, it's getting to be like the boy who cried wolf...:laugh:

 

W said he wanted to work with the Dems, we'll see. If he doesn't, an d I don't think he will, we don't want to hear any whining when Conyers puts the hammer down.

W said he wanted to work with the Dems, we'll see. If he doesn't, an d I don't think he will, we don't want to hear any whining when Conyers puts the hammer down.

 

Nobody is scared of any investigation...it would be just like the last one - 2 or 3 years, millions of dollars wasted, no results.

 

Vetoes are coming, get out the crying towel.

Nobody is scared of any investigation...it would be just like the last one - 2 or 3 years, millions of dollars wasted, no results.

 

Vetoes are coming, get out the crying towel.

 

Somehow I don't feel we will need one. Could get intresting.

W said he wanted to work with the Dems, we'll see. If he doesn't, an d I don't think he will, we don't want to hear any whining when Conyers puts the hammer down.

Conyers is a total idiot. A conspiracy nut and an inarticulate nutjob at that.

 

I detest Pelosi, but I think she is too smart to let the cameras rest on Conyers any more than absolutely necessary. Waxman will be the point man in trying to extort cash for Democratic constituents. I do agree with you on this rare occastion, however, this group of Democrats are certainly not above using blackmail against President Bush.

Nobody is scared of any investigation...it would be just like the last one - 2 or 3 years, millions of dollars wasted, no results.

 

Vetoes are coming, get out the crying towel.

The only result they need is positive media coverage of an endless string of investigations. Democrats will just use the next two years following the same strategy that worked for them Tuesday. Attack Bush. If they were interested in getting their own legislation passed quickly, then they would have detailed a legislative agenda and presented it during the campaign. They want to control judicial appointments and improve their chances of taking control of all three branches of government in 2008.

 

Given the characters that will be chairing the major committees, Democrats will be running a real risk following this strategy. Regardless of who the target is, watching politicians give 15 minute speeches and then not allowing witnesses adequate time to respond tends to generate some sympathy - and not for the windbags. Calling Congressional hearings "hearings" has gotten to be a joke. Congress people are anything but good listeners, and are often chatting or checking messages while witnesses are testifying, if they bother to hang around at all following their own "opening remarks."

 

Democrats are not worried about vetoes, they figure they win either way - and either way their relentless, bitter attacks on Bush will not subside. They will merely be dancing with the one that brung them to the dance.

Conyers is a total idiot. A conspiracy nut and an inarticulate nutjob at that.

 

I detest Pelosi, but I think she is too smart to let the cameras rest on Conyers any more than absolutely necessary. Waxman will be the point man in trying to extort cash for Democratic constituents. I do agree with you on this rare occastion, however, this group of Democrats are certainly not above using blackmail against President Bush.

 

Certainly they aren't above blackmail. I'm just saying it won't work. Bush won't let Dems' threats stop him from vetoing something he doesn't believe in. They probably can get some points from attacking Bush for his vetoes but who cares. Get 'em George!!!! :dancingpa

Certainly they aren't above blackmail. I'm just saying it won't work. Bush won't let Dems' threats stop him from vetoing something he doesn't believe in. They probably can get some points from attacking Bush for his vetoes but who cares. Get 'em George!!!! :dancingpa

Bush was negotiating with himself the day after the election and offering Rumsfeld's head as a sacrificial offering. I expect that he will veto some legislation, but with the threat of impeachment hanging over him, he wil do whatever it takes to boost his poll numbers just like Bill Cinton did. Bush's afternoon after the election speech showed a distinct lack of courage and determination. It was shameful, IMO. A good negotator does not make concessions without getting something concrete in return. Either Bush is a horrible negotiator or he quickly struck a bargain with the devil.

 

That's what politicians do. We need statesmen in Washington, but what we have seems to be two gangs of cut-throat opportunists. The US cannot fight the Iraq War without money for the troops. Regardless of what they say publicly, Democrats will exploit that fact at every opportunity.

 

If Republicans were capable of putting together a strong new leadership team in Congress, they might be able to team up with the moderate Democrats and pass some decent legislation. More wobbly kneed leaders like Frist and Hastert just won't cut it. Neither will re-inflating Trent Lott and it is too late for Newt Gingrich to return to the House in time to help.

 

I strongly support Bush on several issues, including national security, the Iraq War, and tax cuts, but he is on the wrong side of the illegal alien/border security issue (which helped Republicans lose their majorities IMO) and the explosive growth of the federal government during the past six years has been inexcusable. Not only does Bush share major responsibility for the Republican losses of its majorities, he helped throw a way a good part of conservative credibility.

 

Democrats do not seem too bothered having candidates portray themselves as liberals during primaries, moderates during general campaigns, and who then govern as liberals when elected. But conservatives expect more honesty from their candidates. Pseudo-conservatives like Bush have really set back the conservative movement in this country. And now the media is talking up another phony conservative, John McCain, as a Republican contender for the 2008 nomination - UN-believable. A McCain presidency would destroy the Republican Party as we know it - and even a McCain defeat would do considerable damage. To add insult to injury, McCain will be labeled a conservative Republican "maverick" during the campaign by most of the media.

Nobody is scared of any investigation...it would be just like the last one - 2 or 3 years, millions of dollars wasted, no results.

 

Vetoes are coming, get out the crying towel.

 

Given the billions that have gone to Halliburton, Bechtel, etc. with negligible results, I'm willing to spend a mil or two to hear some answers about Dubya's corporate toadyism. Those corporations have cheated the American public out of a ton of cash while operating under the shroud of patriotism.

 

But I'm willing to be practical and optimistic. I do like his seemingly conciliatory tone of the past couple days. Whether that comes of anything, who knows?

 

I want him to reach across the aisle — even if he has no choice — but I definitely don't want it to be for immigrant amnesty and a weak version of immigrant policy reform.

 

Ideally, the liberal wing of the Democratic party can work with one of the most liberal Republicans to ever walk this Earth. I get the feeling they can get something done. What that is, I have no idea.

 

Should be an interesting two years.

NOBODY will get pretty much whatever they want with one party in the white house and the other party with razor thin majorities. This does present an opportunity to get something done if either side wants bragging rights in 2008. Something tells me it's not going to happen.

Kind of looks like the Dems in both houses should be able to get pretty much of whatever they want. If W wants to be an obstructionist, they can start the investigations.

It takes two-thirds of the senate to vote for conviction. GW's got nothing to worry about. However, please, Ms. Pelosi, start the investigations. Hopefully that will occupy you Democrates enough to keep you away from my wallet.

I think the American people just sent a message to the administration to work together from the center, with checks and ballances and oversite.

No more free run without oposition.

 

I also think that they expect, no DEMAND that our public servents be accountable for spending our tax dollars and obeying the law.

 

Dems can operate from the center to initiate their agenda and investigate the actions of the administration over the past 6 years. Pelosi said impeachment was off the table, she did not say investigations were off the table. And if the investigations turn up criminal actions, Pelosi will be pressured to reverse her decission.

 

I understand that Germany has just filed criminal charges against several members of the Bush Admin. Pelosi may not be their only concern.

I think the American people just sent a message to the administration to work together from the center, with checks and ballances and oversite.

No more free run without oposition.

 

I also think that they expect, no DEMAND that our public servents be accountable for spending our tax dollars and obeying the law.

 

Dems can operate from the center to initiate their agenda and investigate the actions of the administration over the past 6 years. Pelosi said impeachment was off the table, she did not say investigations were off the table. And if the investigations turn up criminal actions, Pelosi will be pressured to reverse her decission.

 

I understand that Germany has just filed criminal charges against several members of the Bush Admin. Pelosi may not be their only concern.

 

Yes, I am terrified of the Germans. If Bush doesn't surrender in handcuffs, they may actually stop exporting schnitzels and kaiser rolls to us, and then where would we be?

 

I agree that the electorate is demanding cooperation, but disagree that the "Dems can operate from the center." There will be inevitable and insurmountable pressure from the traditional Democratic fan base to give in to liberal agendas. That will come fiscally first. Since a front-line assault on income tax is unwinnable, I expect it to be a flanking action with raises in things like capital gains, trust accumulation, and estate tax.

There is no way the Dems can set their agenda from the middle.

 

There are to many ultra liberal leftys that they are beholden to for that to happen.

 

I just hope that two years from now I still get to take home some of my paycheck.