I believe these scouts were also trying to pick up signs that CCH uses.

You are right about exchanging films but you don't get the game that is being played that night. I observed the individual only taking pictures when the special teams were on the field. Punt, punt return, kickoff and extra points.

 

Actually I think you get the last three games (they exchange three tapes usually), which of course, would include the last game. Not sure how taking pics of a game your getting on tape the next day would matter, unless you aren't getting a good tape.

It is called professional courtesy. No one from an upcoming opponent should be taking pics or filming, it's like a gentleman's agreement that a team will not do this.

 

During the regular season we exchange film of the two prior games. During the playoffs we usually get the week before and that current week. We will exchange on Sat morning so we get the night befores game.

 

The football ? is a good one. I was under the impression that the Rawlings ball had to be used in the playoffs. I guess in depends on the ref crew and how particular they want to be w/the rule but if it is a rule it should have been inforced. You would think all teams would buy the Rawlings ball to use all yr in case they make playoffs!

 

:thumb: Good post, but isn't it three tapes?

 

And, why would a CovCath "scout" be taking pics or video of a game the team was going to get anyway? If you are their to scout, pick up whatever you can with your eyes and leave the rest to the film.

I posted earlier that Rockcastle Co had secretly filmed a game in 2004 and received a fine from the KHSAA.

 

I want to apologize to them for my mistake. That situation arose because one of the coaches in that game complained, but Rockcastle Co was never penalized any money, games, or anything from the KHSAA for filming that game.

 

I was posting from a memory and I got the details wrong and I have corrected my post above. I hope my mistake didn't cause any problems for anyone associated the Rockcastle program.

Thanks, OFFSIDE. Why do the referees require the kicker to have the kicking game balls approved and marked prior to the game? Is the issue here only that the ball cannot be changed during the series? I know that they have allowed "K" marked balls in for other FG attempts in other games. Were they wrong? Can you help here?

There is no such thing as a designated "kicking game" ball in highschool or college football. I have an idea what you're talking about as to getting these specific balls approved and marked, but I'll get to that in a moment.

 

Only approved "game balls" which comply with Rule 1 can be used on any particular down, including kicking downs. And remember, a ball that's approved for 1st down is also approved for 4th down and vice-versa. Game balls are checked and marked by the officiating crew prior to the game to ensure proper inflation, a raised pebbled grain and an NFHS authenticating mark. Most, if not all, crews actually use a needle guage to ensure inflation between 12.5 and 13.5 lbs and feel the surface of the ball to ensure that it's not too worn or slick. Maybe this is what you're referring to: the crew is checking to make sure that you're "kicking balls" qualify as "game balls".

 

Generally speaking, "kicking" balls are old, worn, and usually extremely overinflated balls that kickers use to practice with. They are designated as such because that's all they're good for (no quarterback wants to throw a slick watermelon--and certainly no kick returner wants to catch one) and coaches don't want the kickers to damage the good balls by knocking them against fences or across the blacktop.

 

Of course, kickers love an overinflated, worn-out ball because they can kick them a whole lot higher and farther. With that said, is it a wonder that it takes a pretty special kicker to make a 53 yard field goal on a cold night with a legal football?

 

offside

There is no such thing as a designated "kicking game" ball in highschool or college football. I have an idea what you're talking about as to getting these specific balls approved and marked, but I'll get to that in a moment.

 

Only approved "game balls" which comply with Rule 1 can be used on any particular down, including kicking downs. And remember, a ball that's approved for 1st down is also approved for 4th down and vice-versa. Game balls are checked and marked by the officiating crew prior to the game to ensure proper inflation, a raised pebbled grain and an NFHS authenticating mark. Most, if not all, crews actually use a needle guage to ensure inflation between 12.5 and 13.5 lbs and feel the surface of the ball to ensure that it's not too worn or slick. Maybe this is what you're referring to: the crew is checking to make sure that you're "kicking balls" qualify as "game balls".

 

Generally speaking, "kicking" balls are old, worn, and usually extremely overinflated balls that kickers use to practice with. They are designated as such because that's all they're good for (no quarterback wants to throw a slick watermelon--and certainly no kick returner wants to catch one) and coaches don't want the kickers to damage the good balls by knocking them against fences or across the blacktop.

 

Of course, kickers love an overinflated, worn-out ball because they can kick them a whole lot higher and farther. With that said, is it a wonder that it takes a pretty special kicker to make a 53 yard field goal on a cold night with a legal football?

 

offside

 

Thanks, OFFSIDE! So you are saying that the ball that is approved for first down must be utilized for all four downs in that series. It seems the kicking balls I mentioned were approved game balls utilized by the kicker. They are not worn out, but probably more "broken in" than newer passing balls, etc.

They would need to be inserted at the beginning of the series if a field goal was the main strategy, I guess.

Rawlings balls are only to be used in the finals.

Rawlings brand is to be used all five rounds. No specific model, but it is required to be Rawlings.

The KHSAA playoff instructions for rounds 1-4 addresses this, but their statement is confusing. It first says any ball with the NFHS mark, then it says it must be a Rawlings ball.

 

Go to this link, scroll down to page 4 under GAME BALLS.

 

My guess is that the NFHS mark is more about the playing rules, then it gets more specific with the brand. I would say with a near 6 figure sponsorship from Rawlings, it is more than just a suggestion.

I believe these scouts were also trying to pick up signs that CCH uses.

Wrong game , it was Highlands and South Oldham playing.

Rawlings brand is to be used all five rounds. No specific model, but it is required to be Rawlings.

So,

 

Let's say you're a referee (hypothetically of course), and you draw a third or fourth round playoff game in the 'ville. And let's just say (hypothetically again) that it's a pretty big game that's expected to draw a pretty big crowd and some silly athletic director decides to rent out the pizza box for this (hypothetical) game. And you attempt to approve the game balls before the contest, but both teams have shown up with...GASP: Wilson footballs.

 

What happens? Do you delay the kickoff untill somebody goes down to Dick's with a purchase order for some Rawlings love? Do the teams pay a fine? Will the refs get fired?

 

(this was an attempt at humor. no pigs were skinned during the making of this post.)

 

 

offside

Wrong game , it was Highlands and South Oldham playing.

My bad Grant County was playing with a wilson also.

My bad Grant County was playing with a wilson also.

cheaters.

Thanks, OFFSIDE. Why do the referees require the kicker to have the kicking game balls approved and marked prior to the game? Is the issue here only that the ball cannot be changed during the series? I know that they have allowed "K" marked balls in for other FG attempts in other games. Were they wrong? Can you help here?

As I recall, several years ago (I think prior to requiring the refs to check the balls), there was a team (Of course, i dont recall exactly who was involved since it has been a while, but I remember reading about it), who was accused by the opposing team of putting helium in footballs to give the ball an extra "OOOMPH" if you will. Likewise, many kickers (and QBs) like to use balls that are not inflated at full capacity to help with grip and supposedly they are easier to kick.

For those reasons, I think is why refs were mandated to check ALL balls being used in the game, to prevent any unfair advantage to another team. I remember Coach Williams (Male) saying that in the year they won their first State title (1993), the refs wouldnt let them use 2 balls because they werent filled to capacity with air. Apparently, it was something that Chris Redman preferred because it gave him a better grip on the ball. Im not sure how much of that is true, but it would make since as to why the refs have to check ALL balls being used for the game.

The balls I have noticed at X and T.

 

X uses Nike balls

 

T always uses brand new Rawlings balls, better for their throwing Offense

My guess is that the NFHS mark is more about the playing rules, then it gets more specific with the brand. I would say with a near 6 figure sponsorship from Rawlings, it is more than just a suggestion.

 

Would you (or anyone else on here) happen to know what the WILSON company gives in sponsorship to the Indiana High School Association?

 

Even if it's somewhat less than Rawlings gives, I would hope the KHSAA would be willing to forego a thousand or two if that was the ball the overwhelming majority of high school football coaches and players (the ones most affected by which ball is used) wanted.