For this person, I see an unborn baby as a human being that is taking their life from them. To me, that is murder. Someone making a conscious effort to end another human being's life.

 

YOU see it that way, but if the country is split - why should one half have to live the way you tell them? If you think it is murder don't do it . . .

 

Just a really tought issue.

Why then do many people in the general population think it is murder. Who has told them that it was?

 

Their preachers.

 

If the medical community is split, why would we want to legislate the practice? Those who "think" it is murder would not perform the procedure, and those who do not "think" it is murder would?

Their preachers.

 

Whatever:rolleyes:

I can read the Bible for myself.

 

YOU see it that way, but if the country is split - why should one half have to live the way you tell them? If you think it is murder don't do it . . .

 

Just a really tought issue.

I believe Christians have a responsibility to vote their Christian faith. And part of that Christian faith would be the protection of children and even unborn ones. Jesus told us to protect the children.

 

Should I not be allowed to vote my faith?

Whatever:rolleyes:

I can read the Bible for myself.

 

 

I believe Christians have a responsibility to vote their Christian faith. And part of that Christian faith would be the protection of children and even unborn ones. Jesus told us to protect the children.

 

Should I not be allowed to vote my faith?

 

Do you vote your faith when you vote pro-life but also vote for the same candidate who is for tax cuts and budget policies that leave 46 million AMERICAN children without adequate health insurance?

 

Do you vote your faith when you vote pro-life but also vote for the same candidate who is for the death penalty?

 

Do you vote your faith when you vote pro-life but also vote for the same candidate who supports the war in Iraq where 2660 innocent Iraqi civilians were killed THIS MONTH are those civilians not God's creation, regardless of their beliefs?

 

Are these not also Christian/non-Christian issues? Why vote on just two (I am assuming the other is same sex marriage)

Whatever:rolleyes:

I can read the Bible for myself.

 

Look, I respect you and your posts a great deal. But let's not act like a very significant portion of the US doesn't get their marching orders from their preachers, and that many of those preachers abuse that trust. Unless you are ignoring the fact that white southerners couched its entire argument for segregation in the Bible, alleging that "mixing of the races is an abomination."

 

IMO, most of this country is incapable of thinking for themselves. I have little use for those types, whether I agree with them or not.

 

I believe Christians have a responsibility to vote their Christian faith. And part of that Christian faith would be the protection of children and even unborn ones. Jesus told us to protect the children.

 

Should I not be allowed to vote my faith?

 

Yes, but I think Christians should allow for other input when making their decisions as well. Too many don't. I like to think that you do.

Do you vote your faith when you vote pro-life but also vote for the same candidate who is for tax cuts and budget policies that leave 46 million AMERICAN children without adequate health insurance?

 

Do you vote your faith when you vote pro-life but also vote for the same candidate who is for the death penalty?

 

Do you vote your faith when you vote pro-life but also vote for the same candidate who supports the war in Iraq where 2660 innocent Iraqi civilians were killed THIS MONTH are those civilians not God's creation, regardless of their beliefs?

 

Are these not also Christian/non-Christian issues? Why vote on just two (I am assuming the other is same sex marriage)

Pro-life is the deciding factor for me. Two candidates are pro-life and then I use the other things to decide between the two candidates.

 

I understand the other things, but any type of life if better than NO life at all.

 

I believe the death penalty is different because OT Scripture indicates there are times that the death penalty is justified and you have an adult who has made a consious action to warrant this compared to an innocent life whose only action was to be conceived.

 

I see the Iraqi citizens killed as not a direct result of the actions of this country but as the actions of those who want to fly planes into skyscrapers. I believe the Bible indicates that there are times where countries have to say no more will we accept and allow this to happen. Darfur, from my little knowledge, would be a place I would have no problem with us going in, if we could, and stop what is happening.

 

The OT lists several times that countries including the nation of Israel went to war with God's blessings.

Do you vote your faith when you vote pro-life but also vote for the same candidate who is for tax cuts and budget policies that leave 46 million AMERICAN children without adequate health insurance?

 

I believe this is called begging the question

 

Do you vote your faith when you vote pro-life but also vote for the same candidate who is for the death penalty?

 

I'm pro life, anti-death penalty. They are factors in my vote, but not the only ones.

 

Do you vote your faith when you vote pro-life but also vote for the same candidate who supports the war in Iraq where 2660 innocent Iraqi civilians were killed THIS MONTH are those civilians not God's creation, regardless of their beliefs?

 

Everyone votes their faith. But once again you are asking an ambiguous question that makes assumptions that may be incorrect.

Look, I respect you and your posts a great deal. But let's not act like a very significant portion of the US doesn't get their marching orders from their preachers, and that many of those preachers abuse that trust. Unless you are ignoring the fact that white southerners couched its entire argument for segregation in the Bible, alleging that "mixing of the races is an abomination."

 

IMO, most of this country is incapable of thinking for themselves. I have little use for those types, whether I agree with them or not.

 

 

 

Yes, but I think Christians should allow for other input when making their decisions as well. Too many don't. I like to think that you do.

I can agree that some do and I agree that a good portion is waiting for a radio talk show host or talking head on tv to tell them what to think, but some do not. Your post implied that we sit back and allow an imperfect preacher to pour our thoughts into our head.

 

I do use other information to make my decisions as long as it does not stand in conflict with my Christian faith.

I can agree that some do and I agree that a good portion is waiting for a radio talk show host or talking head on tv to tell them what to think, but some do not. Your post implied that we sit back and allow an imperfect preacher to pour our thoughts into our head.

 

Not everybody. But most of the country. It would be nice to see people come up with other sources for arguing a point other than tossing out Bible phrases willy-nilly. I look at that as a cop-out, unless those same people have an eye gouged out because they looked lustily at someone not their spouse, or if they don't eat pork.

Not everybody. But most of the country. It would be nice to see people come up with other sources for arguing a point other than tossing out Bible phrases willy-nilly. I look at that as a cop-out, unless those same people have an eye gouged out because they looked lustily at someone not their spouse, or if they don't eat pork.

Just for the record, it didn't say to gouge your eye out, it said it would be better that you did than to spend eternity in Hades for looking lustily. Much better choice would be to ask for forgiveness.

 

My faith drives my decision making. It is who I am. I can seperate myself from it. It drives my parenting, my work, my extracurricular activities. It is as interwoven with me as me being a diabetic is. Sorry, but I can't seperate it out.

 

At least you know I will be consistent. :thumb:

Pro-life is the deciding factor for me. Two candidates are pro-life and then I use the other things to decide between the two candidates.

 

I understand the other things, but any type of life if better than NO life at all.

 

I believe the death penalty is different because OT Scripture indicates there are times that the death penalty is justified and you have an adult who has made a consious action to warrant this compared to an innocent life whose only action was to be conceived.

 

 

 

I see the Iraqi citizens killed as not a direct result of the actions of this country but as the actions of those who want to fly planes into skyscrapers. I believe the Bible indicates that there are times where countries have to say no more will we accept and allow this to happen. Darfur, from my little knowledge, would be a place I would have no problem with us going in, if we could, and stop what is happening.

 

The OT lists several times that countries including the nation of Israel went to war with God's blessings.

 

JC - "You have heard it said an eye for an eye but I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons (and daughters) of you father in heaven." Matt. 4:38 -45a JC fulfilled the law and said if you want to keep all of the commandments 'love God and love your neighbor.'

 

Not much room in here for killing innocent Iraqi civilians or even Iraqi soldiers for that matter.

 

Just so we have the FOX facts straight the Iraqis flew no planes into no part of the US - the terrorists were primarily Saudis (whom we will certainly not attack).

Do you vote your faith when you vote pro-life but also vote for the same candidate who is for tax cuts and budget policies that leave 46 million AMERICAN children without adequate health insurance?

 

I believe this is called begging the question

 

Do you vote your faith when you vote pro-life but also vote for the same candidate who is for the death penalty?

 

I'm pro life, anti-death penalty. They are factors in my vote, but not the only ones.

 

Do you vote your faith when you vote pro-life but also vote for the same candidate who supports the war in Iraq where 2660 innocent Iraqi civilians were killed THIS MONTH are those civilians not God's creation, regardless of their beliefs?

 

Everyone votes their faith. But once again you are asking an ambiguous question that makes assumptions that may be incorrect.

 

However, they may be completely correct if you vote Strict Conservative and use Abortion as a litmus test. Are these not Republican issues?

JC - "You have heard it said an eye for an eye but I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him tow miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I tell you: Love your enemies and proay for those who persecute you, that you may be sons (and daughters) of you father in heaven." Matt. 4:38 -45a JC fulfilled the law and said if you want to keep all of the commandments 'love God and love your neighbor.'

 

Not much room in here for killing innocent Iraqi civilians or even Iraqi soldiers for that matter.

 

Just so we have the FOX facts straight the Iraqis flew no planes into no part of the US - the terrorists were primarily Saudis (whom we will certainly not attack).

I believe the mindset of the people we are fighting is the same mindset or ideology that happened on 9/11. And just so you will know, I have no cable or satellitte so I don't get FOX news channel.:thumb: I could count on 2 fingers the number of times I have seen a Bill Reiley or Hannity/Combs show.

 

As far as you Scripture quote, were we wrong in WWII, too? WWI? That ended up in taking a lot of innocent lives in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

However, they may be completely correct if you vote Strict Conservative and use Abortion as a litmus test. Are these not Republican issues?

It seems you are trying to draw a line in the sand between Democrats and Republicans. I don't care which of the sides represent the views that I hold dear. Ken Lucas is a Democrat and Pro-Life and I voted for him everytime he ran. This year, that might be different because he looked terrible in the debate. I don't care whether there is a D or a R behind their name but rather that they represent the views I hold dear.

 

Now my family would be outraged that I don't walk into the booth and pull the D level with no thought.

However, they may be completely correct if you vote Strict Conservative and use Abortion as a litmus test. Are these not Republican issues?

Anyone who votes strict anything is probably a fool. God gave us wisdom to choose wisely, not to be lemmings.