To me, it's simple. If you don't have a career or profession that you'd do as a hobby or at no charge, you're doing it in some form or fashion for the money.

They aren't doing it for free, and no one expects them to.

 

But, why is it so hard for people to just admit, yeah, it (at least in part) IS about the money?

Money that funds schools and school programs more than pension. So yeah that is about money.

 

Very few people work for free. Money is of course a deciding factor in ones occupation. Where it falls in the pecking order by need or desire varies.

Some do, some don't. To say no one does it for the money, all the while complaining about the money, seems contradictory to me. There's nothing wrong with admitting that yeah, it is (at least partially) about the money.

 

I know a couple people that got into teaching simply to collect a paycheck.

 

60 plus years and I have met no one who went into teaching for the money.

 

Prime example, my nephew and his wife both received their degrees in Math. He also received his education degree. He had better grades than her, is more outgoing and personable, was an Eagle scout and held leadership positions in many organizations. She did not. 3 years out of school and he's making 36,000 a year teaching while she is making 65,000.

 

Your friend doing it for a paycheck will never stick.

To me, it's simple. If you don't have a career or profession that you'd do as a hobby or at no charge, you're doing it in some form or fashion for the money.

Well of course you are doing it for the money. You have to pay bills and meet necessary needs. You can’t do that without money.

Money that funds schools and school programs more than pension. So yeah that is about money.

 

Very few people work for free. Money is of course a deciding factor in ones occupation. Where it falls in the pecking order by need or desire varies.

 

Exactly. And that's my whole point. Pay matters. Just like any other profession. Not sure why they're so against admitting that though.

 

I'd venture if this bill simply reduced funding of schools and didn't touch teacher's pensions, we wouldn't be seeing the protests and cancellations and rallies that we have been.

 

I don't know that for a fact, but that's my thought.

60 plus years and I have met no one who went into teaching for the money.

 

Prime example, my nephew and his wife both received their degrees in Math. He also received his education degree. He had better grades than her, is more outgoing and personable, was an Eagle scout and held leadership positions in many organizations. She did not. 3 years out of school and he's making 36,000 a year teaching while she is making 65,000.

 

Your friend doing it for a paycheck will never stick.

 

You're misunderstanding. I'm not saying it's the sole reason. But it does factor in. It'd be illogical to think otherwise. If they wouldn't do it for free, pay matters. To what degree depends on the individual, but it absolutely matters.

 

I wouldn't call them a friend, but an acquaintance, and maybe not, but they've lasted almost 10 years so far....

I would love to see the budgets for private schools versus public schools. I’m thinking private schools do it for a lot less than the public school does. Not to mention those state of the art schools and facilities that are publicly funded versus private funding.

Put private schools under the same restrictions as a public school and then compare. One appeal of private schools is they are not restricted in the same manner as a public school.

I have several friends that left the private schools for the bigger dollars in the public schools and several that teach on Ohio versus Ky because they pay more.

 

Very common around here.

Very common around here.

 

Why would they do that if pay didn't matter?

I wouldn't call them a friend, but an acquaintance, and maybe not, but they've lasted almost 10 years so far....

 

 

Then they're the very rare exception who is cheating their students but then again, that shows how hard up some schools already are because good people are choosing not to go the teaching route. It's going to get worse.

Exactly. And that's my whole point. Pay matters. Just like any other profession. Not sure why they're so against admitting that though.

 

I'd venture if this bill simply reduced funding of schools and didn't touch teacher's pensions, we wouldn't be seeing the protests and cancellations and rallies that we have been.

 

I don't know that for a fact, but that's my thought.

It’s more connected and complicated then I believe you know. That is NOT a shot at your ability to understand things or how much you’ve researched what is going on. I have no idea of your personal knowledge of everything involved. I feel very confident that the cut of funding even without pension reform would get this response.

 

If it was really about the money then teachers would be asking for a raise like they did in the 70s.

Then they're the very rare exception who is cheating their students but then again, that shows how hard up some schools already are because good people are choosing not to go the teaching route. It's going to get worse.

 

That may be so.

 

Everything you're saying only reaffirms my stance that pay does in fact matter.

 

If teachers are going across the river where they pay more, pay matters.

 

If the cuts to the Pension system are going to make future teachers think twice about entering the profession, pay matters.

Why would they do that if pay didn't matter?

 

Nice try. Why wouldn't they? They'rs still in a profession they chose for reasons other than money. They're doing the same work, helping the same people.

 

If money was their motivations, why wouldn't they change to jobs where they can make much much more?

 

Are the teachers protesting for more pay? I must have missed that.

That may be so.

 

Everything you're saying only reaffirms my stance that pay does in fact matter.

 

If teachers are going across the river where they pay more, pay matters.

 

If the cuts to the Pension system are going to make future teachers think twice about entering the profession, pay matters.

 

You said it yourself, you have to be able to live and support your family. Money matters but it is never a reason to go into teaching other than your friend who apparently could not get work elsewhere.

You said it yourself, you have to be able to live and support your family. Money matters but it is never a reason to go into teaching other than your friend who apparently could not get work elsewhere.

 

Right. So pay does in fact play a role. I never once said it was the primary reason people get into the profession.

 

That's all I've been saying. I don't get why teachers are so hellbent on denying that.