So set goals that are clearly unattainable and create a sense of failure? Yeah, that seems like a WAY better idea for teenagers. :lol2:

 

As I said in my earlier post, Boyle County could not win pre Chuck Smith period. Do you think it's a coincidence that they went from the toilet to state competitor year in and year out? I mean maybe it was a fluke that talent just decided to show up the year coach Smith arrived. I would think the team that was winless the year before coach Smith somehow magically developed talent over the summer to win 7 games seems entirely impossible.

 

It's not like Boyle County just has some incredible talent that is impossible for a Lincoln County, or Casey County to attain. I see the kids that walk into Applebees from Casey or Lincoln, or Garrad, they look the exact same as the kids from Boyle.

 

Do you honestly believe that some towns the same size as others that win, while others lose is because of the food they are eating or the water they are drinking?

 

Set goals high, and force kids to learn to attain them. If you don't do this you are failing your kids, and not preparing them to be adults.

Since Owensboro went to 5A, they have been unceremoniously sent packing by Bowling Green every season. And from the threads I've read, not many give the devils a chance to ever get by the purples. I guess they should be satisfied just getting to that game. So I guess some one should tell all of the guys in the weight room and working out that it's a wrap and there's no chance. The kids I've talked to have told me that their goal is to be playing in Lexington the first weekend in December. Is it unrealistic for them to think that? Who am I to tell them that they can't have that dream?

 

The weights, the conditioning, practicing in the heat during the summer, in the cold in late fall and nicks, bumps and bruises; the kids are doing that for fun? IMO it's because they want the patch for their jacket (a lot of schools still have those), the chance for a ring, and they want to stand on the field with their team mates and hold that State Championship Trophy in the air. How can you tell a kid who plays for the smallest 1A team in the state that goes through all the same work that Cov Cath, Highlands, Bowling Green, South Warren, Trinity and St X go through that he should be satisfied with a good season and he has no shot at a title so it isn't worth doing the work?

 

One more thing. It is unrealistic for a kid to think he can be a professional athlete isn't it? But you still see kids carry that dream all the way to the pros. Every professional athlete has had some one in their life tell them that they had no chance, it wasn't going to happen. Good for them that they did not listen.

As I said in my earlier post, Boyle County could not win pre Chuck Smith period. Do you think it's a coincidence that they went from the toilet to state competitor year in and year out? I mean maybe it was a fluke that talent just decided to show up the year coach Smith arrived. I would think the team that was winless the year before coach Smith somehow magically developed talent over the summer to win 7 games seems entirely impossible.

 

It's not like Boyle County just has some incredible talent that is impossible for a Lincoln County, or Casey County to attain. I see the kids that walk into Applebees from Casey or Lincoln, or Garrad, they look the exact same as the kids from Boyle.

 

Do you honestly believe that some towns the same size as others that win, while others lose is because of the food they are eating or the water they are drinking?

 

Set goals high, and force kids to learn to attain them. If you don't do this you are failing your kids, and not preparing them to be adults.

 

I agree with what you are saying to an extent. You still have to work towards that ultimate goal with smaller goals.

IMO the ultimate goal for every team should be a Championship. That is what every program should be trying to build to. Hence the key word program, not just team. A team is a one year thing, a program is an over time thing. Is it realistic for a new coach taking over a 1 and 9 team to win a state title in its first season? Not at all. However that should be the ultimate goal when taking over the program, and what the program should be striving to get to as a program.

 

I know many people may not be familiar with IEP's. However imo its like that. You have an ultimate goal you want to get to. Yet you have clear benchmarks your aiming for first to get to that eventual goal. Now as for a coach that ultimate goal of a state title may be a 3 year or even 5 year plan to get there rather than a one year thing like an IEP. However you have certain things benchmarks you want to get accomplished to help build to that. However when it comes to work ethic and all that. That's the end goal you should always have in mind IMO, and always working to get there.

 

I like this. It's hard to play for a championship if you have never been there, but that should be the goal of the program. Each team should have their own goals. When we took over, we set a goal for the program to be a team that competes for a district title and a chance for a championship. We have yet to win a single district game, so our goals this year are to win district games. When that is the norm, our goal will be to win district titles and so on. Its like a hierarchy of goals and anyone associated with the program knows we have work our way up. The goal of the program is to win a title, the goal of the team may be different.

 

On a different note, when I played HS football, I played for a brand new program that was not even in district play yet. We had zero chance of playing for a championship. We played because there was a game and we were in it and we loved that game. One of the programs best seasons on record was when we won 6 games playing in 7 different opponents homecomings, none of them were ours.

I agree with what you are saying to an extent. You still have to work towards that ultimate goal with smaller goals.

 

It's not easy, and the thing is how many coaches in this state have ever been involved in winning as a coach, player, administrator, or something a long those lines? I would be more willing to bet the reason we don't have more winning programs is because coaches don't know what it takes to win either, because its not easy. Go to a coaches clinic and look at all the coaches trying to learn a scheme to help them win, not even realizing scheme doesn't win. The cop out has always been "we don't have the talent." It's not the scheme that wins, it's learning how to win and maybe this state needs more people in position to make decisions who have won, and know the sacrifice and dedication it takes to win, and how to mold players into champions.

 

Does the team with the most D1 kids win state every year? Absolutely not, I can tell you that most years Boyle has won a title, they didn't even have a D1 kid. Every town in this state can improve and work towards a championship.

 

The real question, is if that kid wants it bad enough to sacrifice, does that coach want it bad enough to sacrifice? Does a 3 sport athlete want a state championship so bad that he works on his game all year on the weekends, does he get up and workout before school and then go to a basketball or baseball practice or game, while still being sore from morning workouts? Does the kid never skip a workout even on game day. Does he throw the ball around, does he catch the ball, work on route running, watch video's on how to improve footwork, how to stem routes. If the answer is no, then of course that team will not be successful. It is completely possible to outwork the competition, the excuse that a team doesn't have the players is just that, an excuse.

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It's not easy, and the thing is how many coaches in this state have ever been involved in winning as a coach, player, administrator, or something a long those lines? I would be more willing to bet the reason we don't have more winning programs is because coaches don't know what it takes to win either, because its not easy. Go to a coaches clinic and look at all the coaches trying to learn a scheme to help them win, not even realizing scheme doesn't win. The cop out has always been "we don't have the talent." It's not the scheme that wins, it's learning how to win and maybe this state needs more people in position to make decisions who have won, and know the sacrifice and dedication it takes to win, and how to mold players into champions.

 

Does the team with the most D1 kids win state every year? Absolutely not, I can tell you that most years Boyle has won a title, they didn't even have a D1 kid. Every town in this state can improve and work towards a championship.

 

The real question, is if that kid wants it bad enough to sacrifice, does that coach want it bad enough to sacrifice? Does a 3 sport athlete want a state championship so bad that he works on his game all year on the weekends, does he get up and workout before school and then go to a basketball or baseball practice or game, while still being sore from morning workouts? Does the kid never skip a workout even on game day. Does he throw the ball around, does he catch the ball, work on route running, watch video's on how to improve footwork, how to stem routes. If the answer is no, then of course that team will not be successful. It is completely possible to outwork the competition, the excuse that a team doesn't have the players is just that, an excuse.

 

I tried but you said it better than I could. I tell my son all the time. There is work that you need to do and there is NO way around it. Thank you letting him know that his old man isn't the only person that thinks that way.

So set goals that are clearly unattainable and create a sense of failure? Yeah, that seems like a WAY better idea for teenagers. :lol2:

 

I don't find that funny but to each their own.

 

Winners/ambitious mindset versus losers/content mindset there are different breeds of people in this world and I was always taught to at least try to be the best at what I do. Never have I been associated with people or a team that says "hey guys, lets just go out there and hope for 2nd best". I think Ricky Bobby said it best "If you ain't first, you're last".

I guess we just need to print off this conversation and send it to a bunch of those schools who are just hoping to get above .500 for the year.

 

Work harder and settle for nothing less than playing at UK in December, and that'll work. It doesn't matter if you're the smallest school, work harder! It doesn't matter if you live in a district with a high student migration and kids in foster care, work harder!

 

 

Honestly, how many times does a team come from outside a pre-season top 10 and play in a state championship? If Team A works as hard as they possibly can, and in the regional championship goes up against a team who worked equally as hard. Who wins? The harder working team?

 

 

What if you took the last decade of a teams best players in their prime and gave them all off-season and the summer to get ready to play one game. What if you took another teams JV players and back-ups, and gave them 2 weeks of practice.

 

Who are you going to pick to win the game? You'd probably want to know who the teams are, right? Let's say Team B is Trinity. And let's say Team A is one of the annual teams who finish in the 0-3 wins range. Are you going to stick by your guns and go with the harder working team? Because I know who I am going to pick.

I don't find that funny but to each their own.

 

Winners/ambitious mindset versus losers/content mindset there are different breeds of people in this world and I was always taught to at least try to be the best at what I do. Never have I been associated with people or a team that says "hey guys, lets just go out there and hope for 2nd best". I think Ricky Bobby said it best "If you ain't first, you're last".

 

You can have a winner's mentality and still acknowledge the fact the highest level of success may not always be obtainable.

 

Ricky Bobby was ridiculous, and so is that statement.

I guess we just need to print off this conversation and send it to a bunch of those schools who are just hoping to get above .500 for the year.

 

Work harder and settle for nothing less than playing at UK in December, and that'll work. It doesn't matter if you're the smallest school, work harder! It doesn't matter if you live in a district with a high student migration and kids in foster care, work harder!

 

 

Honestly, how many times does a team come from outside a pre-season top 10 and play in a state championship? If Team A works as hard as they possibly can, and in the regional championship goes up against a team who worked equally as hard. Who wins? The harder working team?

 

 

What if you took the last decade of a teams best players in their prime and gave them all off-season and the summer to get ready to play one game. What if you took another teams JV players and back-ups, and gave them 2 weeks of practice.

 

Who are you going to pick to win the game? You'd probably want to know who the teams are, right? Let's say Team B is Trinity. And let's say Team A is one of the annual teams who finish in the 0-3 wins range. Are you going to stick by your guns and go with the harder working team? Because I know who I am going to pick.

 

I suggest you look at my post and Boyle County again. Everyone say's it can't be done yet Boyle is a shining example that it can, and that it can happen from a small school. Can go from a winless team and in less than a decade win 5 consecutive championships. Be a team that is always a contender, that has won titles in 2a, 3a, 4a, 3a again.

You can have a winner's mentality and still acknowledge the fact the highest level of success may not always be obtainable.

 

Ricky Bobby was ridiculous, and so is that statement.

 

It may not be attainable but it should be the goal IMO.

It may not be attainable but it should be the goal IMO.

 

I agree that it can be the ultimate goal. But my point is that it should be accompanied by other goals so a good season isn't considered a failure because you don't win a ring.

I guess we just need to print off this conversation and send it to a bunch of those schools who are just hoping to get above .500 for the year.

 

Work harder and settle for nothing less than playing at UK in December, and that'll work. It doesn't matter if you're the smallest school, work harder! It doesn't matter if you live in a district with a high student migration and kids in foster care, work harder!

 

 

Honestly, how many times does a team come from outside a pre-season top 10 and play in a state championship? If Team A works as hard as they possibly can, and in the regional championship goes up against a team who worked equally as hard. Who wins? The harder working team?

 

 

What if you took the last decade of a teams best players in their prime and gave them all off-season and the summer to get ready to play one game. What if you took another teams JV players and back-ups, and gave them 2 weeks of practice.

 

Who are you going to pick to win the game? You'd probably want to know who the teams are, right? Let's say Team B is Trinity. And let's say Team A is one of the annual teams who finish in the 0-3 wins range. Are you going to stick by your guns and go with the harder working team? Because I know who I am going to pick.

 

They probably won't make it, but what is wrong with them working toward getting there or believing that there is a possibility if they work hard? You pick who you want, I agree that team B would probably win, but don't take the other kids aspirations away from them because you don't think they can pull it off.

 

So I guess if my team isn't in the top ten, they should pack it in. After the season they had last year, I am pretty sure that they won't be.

I suggest you look at my post and Boyle County again. Everyone say's it can't be done yet Boyle is a shining example that it can, and that it can happen from a small school. Can go from a winless team and in less than a decade win 5 consecutive championships. Be a team that is always a contender, that has won titles in 2a, 3a, 4a, 3a again.

 

In my scenario, who are you picking?

I suggest you look at my post and Boyle County again. Everyone say's it can't be done yet Boyle is a shining example that it can, and that it can happen from a small school. Can go from a winless team and in less than a decade win 5 consecutive championships. Be a team that is always a contender, that has won titles in 2a, 3a, 4a, 3a again.

 

Nobody is saying it can NEVER be done. You point out that it took a decade for BC to get there. You think those teams in years 1-5 REALLY thought they were going to win a ring?

 

It's a gradual process.