Yeah and when he doesn't do anything but kiss Putin's ring I'll be sure to call him out on being a failure.

 

That be fine. If he is weak like Obama I will be right beside you. Solidarity.

That be fine. If he is weak like Obama I will be right beside you. Solidarity.

 

See? I told you we aren't that divided.

I was saying Obama was weak and was not going to do anything to Putin. He has let the Russians and Chinese have their way was my point. And lets not talk about Iran.

 

See, I disagree. I think Obama has been harsh on Putin. I don't know what more he could do. The Russian economy is in a shambles because of all the sanctions. The Ukraine is still independent of Russia. Beyond an actual war I don't know what you or anyone else think should be done. Do you want to explain what should have been done or should be done to Russia?

Did someone do this?

 

Obama and Syria ring a bell?

You all are great at after the fact accusations but no one wants to offer an alternative solution or tactic the US should take. Whine and complain but offer no other ideas. I ask all the questions hoping someone has the wherewithall to offer some other idea but apparently there are none. It is so easy to complain, accuse, spin, point fingers after the fact.

 

Here is a summary and my view on the whole Syria thing - a civil war broke out in another country as part of a pro-democracy movement. As Assad suppressed the movement he went into a deeper and deeper hole of authoritarianism. The US and several other countries applied sanctions as Assad took these actions. Two years after the protests began and the civil war escalated, Assad uses chemical weapons in Aleppo. Obama draws the line in the sand, then threatens limited military action and shortly after this threat while Congress was about to consider granting authority for the strike, Russia jumped in and helped negotiate the removal of chemical weapons to avert US military strikes.

 

It was around this time period in 2013 that ISIS was formed. There are multiple armed forces battling in Syria and ISIS gained ground on the others from 2013 forward.

 

I put some of the blame for this on Obama for pulling troops out of Iraq too quickly. That was part of what allowed ISIS to grow. The Iraq forces were not able to maintain control of their own territory. Obama was too focused on achieving one of his election mandates of getting troops out of Iraq and did not adapt to provide the right amount of support Iraq needed.

 

Also, it should be pointed out that regardless of how it came about, getting the chemical weapons out of Syria was a very good thing. If they had not been removed, some of those weapons very possibly would have fallen into the hands of ISIS. Spin the line in the sand whatever way you like but the threat did lead to the removal of chemical weapons from Syria.

 

Was Obama responsible for ISIS? No. That would have happened even if he had left a much larger force in Iraq. However, ISIS would not be as large and strong as it became if Obama had slowed or even stalled the pace of US military force withdrawals.

 

Now, back to China. I would like to hear what should be done now. Has it been handled properly and let it go? Should something else be done by the US? Put your view in writing here and let's see how this situation plays out over the next few years.

 

If you have listened to the news in the last month, the chemical weapons are not gone. Ask the rebels in Allepo.

See, I disagree. I think Obama has been harsh on Putin. I don't know what more he could do. The Russian economy is in a shambles because of all the sanctions. The Ukraine is still independent of Russia. Beyond an actual war I don't know what you or anyone else think should be done. Do you want to explain what should have been done or should be done to Russia?

 

Russia is killing thousands in Syria. What are we doing? We moved aside quietly when Putin said step aside. Thats what I was referring to in regards to Russia. The $$$$$$$$$$$ with Iran and the deal. Thats even hard to talk about. China the same.

Russia is killing thousands in Syria. What are we doing? We moved aside quietly when Putin said step aside. Thats what I was referring to in regards to Russia. The $$$$$$$$$$$ with Iran and the deal. Thats even hard to talk about. China the same.

 

WHAT DO YOU WANT THE US TO DO?

 

If you are going to complain about what is happening, that is not an answer.

WHAT DO YOU WANT THE US TO DO?

 

If you are going to complain about what is happening, that is not an answer.

 

I would not have stepped aside when told like a school boy. Do you think Russia would step aside? I would have said we are going in to get the people out. If you as much as drop one bomb where our people are then its on. When we cant back up what we start then we are weak. See where its got us?

I would not have stepped aside when told like a school boy. Do you think Russia would step aside? I would have said we are going in to get the people out. If you as much as drop one bomb where our people are then its on. When we cant back up what we start then we are weak. See where its got us?

 

THANK YOU!

This incident has me paying attention to the news even more than normal. Posturing always fascinates me.