September 28, 20169 yr Another shooting involving a black male and the police. This time in California. El Cajon shooting sees protesters gather after unarmed black man shot dead by police | Daily Mail Online
September 28, 20169 yr Author I've read two different stories on this from two different websites. From what I have gathered from both stories but don't know to be true or not: He was unarmed. The police weren't aware if he was unarmed. He had his hands up. He was reaching in his pocket and motioned his hands like he had a weapon and pointed it at the officers. No orders were given to the man. Mutliple orders were given to the man and he refused to comply. The police confiscated phones from witnesses to investigate videos taken from phones. The police didn't confiscate phones from witnesses to investigate videos taken from phones. He was mentally disturbed and his sister called the police to help with her brother as she has done before. The police scanner called it a code 5150. There is video of the incident somewhere but it hasn't been released and is in police custody. The police chief said the officers acted accordingly and in time that investigation information will show that they did. One officer tased him and the other officer shot him. Both officers have 21 years of service. That's what I remember off the top of my head. The link I posted seemed to be the most fair when describing the situation.
September 28, 20169 yr I thought I saw a still frame from a bystander video that showed the man holding an object at an officer in a stance that looks like what they called a "Weapon stance." It was NOT a weapon however.
September 28, 20169 yr I thought I saw a still frame from a bystander video that showed the man holding an object at an officer in a stance that looks like what they called a "Weapon stance." It was NOT a weapon however. I saw the same.
September 28, 20169 yr Author I thought I saw a still frame from a bystander video that showed the man holding an object at an officer in a stance that looks like what they called a "Weapon stance." It was NOT a weapon however. Same here. I'm guessing this is where the mentally disturbed part comes into the equation. Looks like a suicide by cop situation to me. If his brain isn't functioning right it escalates the situation for the police in the times of today. Split second decision for them if they don't know if he has a weapon or not.
September 28, 20169 yr Author The video will be interesting if it is ever shown. Especially with the statements from the police chief.
September 28, 20169 yr Same here. I'm guessing this is where the mentally disturbed part comes into the equation. Looks like a suicide by cop situation to me. If his brain isn't functioning right it escalates the situation for the police in the times of today. Split second decision for them if they don't know if he has a weapon or not. The picture I saw is on your link. The officer and the man are very, very close to each other. If a suspect has wheeled in gone into that stance, that close to me - I can't see any other reaction but to assume deadly force and respond in kind.
September 28, 20169 yr The picture I saw is on your link. The officer and the man are very, very close to each other. If a suspect has wheeled in gone into that stance, that close to me - I can't see any other reaction but to assume deadly force and respond in kind. Pretty much my thoughts as well.
September 28, 20169 yr Author The picture I saw is on your link. The officer and the man are very, very close to each other. If a suspect has wheeled in gone into that stance, that close to me - I can't see any other reaction but to assume deadly force and respond in kind. Agreed. The narrative isn't playing out that way but I see the same thing. In this particular situation I can see why it played out like it did. I hate that there is a possibility that he is mentally disturbed but without knowing the extent of his mental capacity it looks like he has the mind of child or it was suicide by cop.
September 28, 20169 yr Wow. Why not just step out in front of a bus? Why?? Just a guess, when people consume hour after hour of police brutality via all forms of media then mix that with a mental or drug issue I think things like this will happen. Non compliance then becomes a combative situation. I'm sure there's a lot of these already but in the current climate these incidents have to be on the rise. From the stance he took and his lack of compling to the officers commands, how many here on BGP would have... 1. Waited to see if it was a gun. Ie he gets a shot off OR 2. Shot him as his hand is coming from his pocket. I'm talking as if you are the cop that's standing directly in front of him in the picture. Edited September 28, 20169 yr by TexasRanger Add text
September 28, 20169 yr Why?? Just a guess, when people consume hour after hour of police brutality via all forms of media then mix that with a mental or drug issue I think things like this will happen. Non compliance then becomes a combative situation. I'm sure there's a lot of these already but in the current climate these incidents have to be on the rise. From the stance he took and his lack of compling to the officers commands, how many here on BGP would have... 1. Waited to see if it was a gun. Ie he gets a shot off OR 2. Shot him as his hand is coming from his pocket. I'm talking as if you are the cop that's standing directly in front of him in the picture. Assuming it happened the way they police are saying, and that photo seems to indicate that it did, I think you'll struggle to find anyone on here that finds fault with the officers.
September 28, 20169 yr I thought I saw a still frame from a bystander video that showed the man holding an object at an officer in a stance that looks like what they called a "Weapon stance." It was NOT a weapon however. I saw that as well. However, I couldn't tell what , if anything, he had in his hand. One witness has a video that she/he gave to the police. Mentally ill person.
September 28, 20169 yr Author Assuming it happened the way they police are saying, and that photo seems to indicate that it did, I think you'll struggle to find anyone on here that finds fault with the officers. I certainly don't find fault with the officers based on what we know right now.
September 28, 20169 yr Why?? Just a guess, when people consume hour after hour of police brutality via all forms of media then mix that with a mental or drug issue I think things like this will happen. Non compliance then becomes a combative situation. I'm sure there's a lot of these already but in the current climate these incidents have to be on the rise. From the stance he took and his lack of compling to the officers commands, how many here on BGP would have... 1. Waited to see if it was a gun. Ie he gets a shot off OR 2. Shot him as his hand is coming from his pocket. I'm talking as if you are the cop that's standing directly in front of him in the picture. Here's the problem with the "would you wait to see what it is" thinking. The picture I saw had the victim down in his firing stance with both hands extended with whatever it was - gun , shoe, whatever. There was an officer right in front of him in a firing stance and appeared to be only a few feet away. He obviously waited long enough for the guy to get whatever he had out of his pockets, go into his stance, and point it outward with two hands and still no shot. Like the Tulsa shooting, one officer fired a taser and the other fired a bullet. So the question will be asked: Why didn't the taser guy shoot? Did he see it wasn't a real gun? Was he frozen in fear despite it being a real gun?
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