Pay Attention To Libertarian Gary Johnson; He’s Pulling 1 Percent vs. Trump And Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

 

 

Anybody notice the most liked candidate in April (Dukakis) got destroyed in November.

That's what I want to see. Let's hope that percentage keeps climbing higher and maybe we can fix this mess in Washington.

 

I just want everybody to be honest with themselves and admit that the D and R nominees are both crap, and that you will be doing your country a favor by not voting for either of them.

 

Doesn't even really matter if you believe in Johnson's positions one way or another. Cast your protest vote so that the Libertarians get enough of a percentage so that the party has a seat at the adults' table. We already know Hillary and The Donald will make for a terrible president. Why not feel good about your vote for a change?

That's what I want to see. Let's hope that percentage keeps climbing higher and maybe we can fix this mess in Washington.

 

I just want everybody to be honest with themselves and admit that the D and R nominees are both crap, and that you will be doing your country a favor by not voting for either of them.

 

Doesn't even really matter if you believe in Johnson's positions one way or another. Cast your protest vote so that the Libertarians get enough of a percentage so that the party has a seat at the adults' table. We already know Hillary and The Donald will make for a terrible president. Why not feel good about your vote for a change?

 

This is spot on Jim.

 

Unfortunately, way too many people care too much about being able to boast that they "voted for the winner", than casting a vote that makes a difference.

This is spot on Jim.

 

Unfortunately, way too many people care too much about being able to boast that they "voted for the winner", than casting a vote that makes a difference.

 

How is voting for a candidate that can't win making a difference? The way our electoral system works voting for a 3rd party candidate is just a vote for the candidate you like the least, at least in the short term. Long term maybe a 3rd Party can overtake one of the main two but political science would say that's unlikely.

How is voting for a candidate that can't win making a difference? The way our electoral system works voting for a 3rd party candidate is just a vote for the candidate you like the least, at least in the short term. Long term maybe a 3rd Party can overtake one of the main two but political science would say that's unlikely.

 

Because they get enough votes and they have access to the ballots in all states. They get enough votes and they'll be included in the debates. If that happens, both R's and D's alike will start to take notice and realize they need to change things.

Because they get enough votes and they have access to the ballots in all states. They get enough votes and they'll be included in the debates. If that happens, both R's and D's alike will start to take notice and realize they need to change things.

 

Perhaps but our voting system makes it nearly impossible for a third party to emerge.

Perhaps but our voting system makes it nearly impossible for a third party to emerge.

 

Not if people would actually vote for a candidate that they agree with, instead of just pulling a lever for the letter behind the name.

Not if people would actually vote for a candidate that they agree with, instead of just pulling a lever for the letter behind the name.

 

You're exactly right. But also there are many that vote for the lesser of the two equals because they feel/know 3rd party is a waste of time.

You're exactly right. But also there are many that vote for the lesser of the two equals because they feel/know 3rd party is a waste of time.

 

JMO, but there's no such thing as "voting for the lesser of two evils". That's just a cop-out people tell themselves because they're trying to justify why they're voting for a candidate they know will make a crappy President.

 

It's especially true in an election like this year where both candidates are despicable; they both suck. Just as many people who vote third party are taking votes away from both candidates. It's not like one is going to benefit more than the other.

JMO, but there's no such thing as "voting for the lesser of two evils". That's just a cop-out people tell themselves because they're trying to justify why they're voting for a candidate they know will make a crappy President.

 

It's especially true in an election like this year where both candidates are despicable; they both suck. Just as many people who vote third party are taking votes away from both candidates. It's not like one is going to benefit more than the other.

 

With the way the electoral college will like shake out a vote for Johnson helps Clinton more than it does Trump. Trump needs every vote in the swing states. Trump isn't a great candidate but he looks like Teddy Roosevelt compared to HRC.

With the way the electoral college will like shake out a vote for Johnson helps Clinton more than it does Trump. Trump needs every vote in the swing states. Trump isn't a great candidate but he looks like Teddy Roosevelt compared to HRC.

 

Depends on what issues you place the most importance on and your own situation. Most people I know, conservatives mind you, are absolutely terrified of what could happen with Trump in charge. Same people feel Hillary will be more of the status quo. :idunno:

You're exactly right. But also there are many that vote for the lesser of the two equals because they feel/know 3rd party is a waste of time.

 

A third party vote is considered "throwing your vote away" simply because people feel that way. If people would stop with that viewpoint, then it wouldn't be. As in, if all the people that said they'd like to vote third party would, who knows how high they could go?

 

That probably doesn't matter for this election, but you have to begin building from somewhere. If the third party(s) could begin to seem viable, perhaps people would finally vote to help them emerge. This country needs alternatives now and in future years. Desperately.

A third party vote is considered "throwing your vote away" simply because people feel that way. If people would stop with that viewpoint, then it wouldn't be. As in, if all the people that said they'd like to vote third party would, who knows how high they could go?

 

That probably doesn't matter for this election, but you have to begin building from somewhere. If the third party(s) could begin to seem viable, perhaps people would finally vote to help them emerge. This country needs alternatives now and in future years. Desperately.

 

I'm not voting for Johnson (nor Trump, nor Hillary), but this post is perfect.

Depends on what issues you place the most importance on and your own situation. Most people I know, conservatives mind you, are absolutely terrified of what could happen with Trump in charge. Same people feel Hillary will be more of the status quo. :idunno:

 

Guilty as charged. There are few people I despise more than Hillary but I am less concerned about the damage she could do in office compared to Trump.

How is voting for a candidate that can't win making a difference? The way our electoral system works voting for a 3rd party candidate is just a vote for the candidate you like the least, at least in the short term. Long term maybe a 3rd Party can overtake one of the main two but political science would say that's unlikely.

Simple math. Republicans carry this state by a landslide.