This one is still a mystery me, even after talking to coaches

 

CB OR SAFETY

has one on one coverage and they never look back to see ball.

 

In talking to coaches and former players over the years (not many players have liked this technique) I have been told the players are taught to read the rec eyes and try and punch the ball out, which seldom works.

 

Explain to me how you teach it and how often your way works.

 

Thanks again.

 

In man coverage you only look if you're in phase. That means you can touch the receiver and have the right leverage.

 

If you look and aren't in phase you can play a good throw which is what you always expect in coverage.

 

If you're not in phase you play the ball out of the WRs hands.

Coaches:

 

What is the strangest offense you've tried to defend?

 

Strangest? Like unique? Played against the single-wing it's pretty strange. Usually the strange stuff is stuff that no one else you've played does.

 

When Chiefsmoke coached in our area his offense was strange, compared to the others. Used a lot of formation, unbalanced lines, tackle over, etc. It was strange because no one else really did it, and if they did they didn't do it at the no huddle pace that he did.

 

As a defensive coach you knew the plays you were going to get, but it was a chess match trying to get in the right call for a formation they gave you. He had multiple personnel packages and it was a headache to defend. You had to go about it one of two ways, either you could be complex and try to match the formations or you could be very vanilla. I think he did/does an excellent job of exploiting whatever of the two paths you picked.

 

Teams that excel at an area of the game that they shouldn't by nature of their offense is also tough and strange. Take Lawrence County. They ran a belly/option attack but had a great QB and some stud WRs. Tough to have enough bodies in the box to defend Belly while still being able to cover those WRs. In a drop back spread scheme you might be able to take away some throws, but from 21 personnel it's very tough.

 

Anymore the Wing-T is strange. I see a day when teams move back to it and it becomes familiar again but a well oiled machine of a wing-t team would be a handful today.

I really like this thread. Ideas about good football vary greatly between regions and even coaches. The important thing to remember is it sound and can the kids understand it and then execute it.

 

 

Estill is strangest. QB becomes a lead blocker 90% of the time. It has some similarities to the wing-t and single wing. Very easy to diagnose but can be tough to stop. Lots of bodies at the point of attack.

This one is still a mystery me, even after talking to coaches

 

CB OR SAFETY

has one on one coverage and they never look back to see ball.

 

In talking to coaches and former players over the years (not many players have liked this technique) I have been told the players are taught to read the rec eyes and try and punch the ball out, which seldom works.

 

Explain to me how you teach it and how often your way works.

 

Thanks again.

Remember just because a CB is running with a wr doesn't mean it is man to man. Example, running down the sideline, if the DB is turned to the Qb and the WR is on his outside hip, that is zone.

Strangest? Like unique? Played against the single-wing it's pretty strange. Usually the strange stuff is stuff that no one else you've played does.

 

When Chiefsmoke coached in our area his offense was strange, compared to the others. Used a lot of formation, unbalanced lines, tackle over, etc. It was strange because no one else really did it, and if they did they didn't do it at the no huddle pace that he did.

 

As a defensive coach you knew the plays you were going to get, but it was a chess match trying to get in the right call for a formation they gave you. He had multiple personnel packages and it was a headache to defend. You had to go about it one of two ways, either you could be complex and try to match the formations or you could be very vanilla. I think he did/does an excellent job of exploiting whatever of the two paths you picked.

 

I appreciate the kind words and you have a great handle on what we did at Mason and still do at Mercer.

 

Over time, my favorite part is that it helps us be a more disciplined and focused team in practice and games. Our kids need that challenge and I think it makes us a better team.

 

A couple days ago we saw ShaDon Brown who use to coach at Rowan. He asked if we were doing the same things at Mercer we did at Mason. Coach Donald Smith, on our staff and my AD just shook his head, laughing, and said, "I guarantee he is doing the same things he did when he played you! " :lol2: He was right!

 

We will tweak how we do our weekly scripts for 2016, but other than that, our offense, defense, etc. will always have the same foundation. There aren't many good things about being old, but one of the best is I know EXACTLY what I want our teams to do. The guys that coached with me at Mason and now at Mercer may say that is a negative! One of my Mason coaches said one time, we just have a million formations to run the same play over and over. :lol2:

We teach them that they can only peak in the backfield if you can touch the WR. If not, and you peak then they will get more separation. Plus there is no face guarding in high school so it works pretty well for us.

Are you saying you are or are not allowed to face guard in HS?

 

HS kids have a hard time keeping their eyes out of the backfield. Redman was famous for back to the ball man to man. The idea is it's harder for a rec to cross your face and easier to stay in phase with the rec. the bad is taught to react to the hands. Shoot your hands when you see hands and look back at the same time.

 

Rockcastle's wingt was tough. They ran the crap out of QB power in it. Such a simple play and pain to stop.

I really like this thread. Ideas about good football vary greatly between regions and even coaches. The important thing to remember is it sound and can the kids understand it and then execute it.

 

 

Estill is strangest. QB becomes a lead blocker 90% of the time. It has some similarities to the wing-t and single wing. Very easy to diagnose but can be tough to stop. Lots of bodies at the point of attack.

It's called the double wing. There are key breakers so you can't just follow the QB. Don Markham came up with the offense. It's a pretty funny story how it came about. It use to hold the national record for most points scored in a season. There are a number of teams that have won state titles running it. It looks easy to diagnose because the staple of the offense is power and most DW teams run it about 80% of the time. If you are playing defense it's not so easy to diagnose. There are a lot of bodies and the sniffer FB makes it tough to find the ball. Scott HS runs it from the gun.

Double wing was weird for a whole but it's somewhat common now. With Morgan being close, most have seen it.

 

There are keys to it but I couldn't key the QB.

Yea I know the origins kinda like the story of the zone read. FB is usually a true read.

It's called the double wing. There are key breakers so you can't just follow the QB. Don Markham came up with the offense. It's a pretty funny story how it came about. It use to hold the national record for most points scored in a season. There are a number of teams that have won state titles running it. It looks easy to diagnose because the staple of the offense is power and most DW teams run it about 80% of the time. If you are playing defense it's not so easy to diagnose. There are a lot of bodies and the sniffer FB makes it tough to find the ball. Scott HS runs it from the gun.

Am I reading an excerpt from Hugh Wyatt's website or book.....:ylsuper:

Markham was trying to do the whole Student Body right/left in his offense. He had draw it up on paper for the coaches to show the players. After a while he noticed the BST was pulling and getting there. His drawing was messy so it looked like the tackle was pulling. That is the story of how they started pulling the BSG and BST. Wyatt was a wing-t and run and shoot guy. He is one strange man. Very high opinion of himself. He claims to invented the "wildcat" which is enough to make me think he is a little on the crazy side.

Markham was trying to do the whole Student Body right/left in his offense. He had draw it up on paper for the coaches to show the players. After a while he noticed the BST was pulling and getting there. His drawing was messy so it looked like the tackle was pulling. That is the story of how they started pulling the BSG and BST. Wyatt was a wing-t and run and shoot guy. He is one strange man. Very high opinion of himself. He claims to invented the "wildcat" which is enough to make me think he is a little on the crazy side.

Wyatt....99 Superpower....6G....

Wyatt and his wildcat was in his playbook over 15 years ago but he wasn't calling it the wildcat. Once Arkansas,in the mid 2000's, used the "wildcat" and others started utilizing it did Hugh start using that term. All it really is, IMO, is the single wing in one of its truest forms

Remember just because a CB is running with a wr doesn't mean it is man to man. Example, running down the sideline, if the DB is turned to the Qb and the WR is on his outside hip, that is zone.

In the Alabama/Michigan State game right before half when MSU had the ball was a great example of man and zone. One play they throw to the wr over the CB with his back to the Qb. The next play the Qb thought it was the same coverage because the CB gave the same pre snap alignment but it was soft Cover 2/Read and the CB was facing the Qb and made an easy pick. Qb did not scan the whole field to see both safeties alignment on his pre snap read, he made an assumption.....

Wyatt....99 Superpower....6G....

Wyatt and his wildcat was in his playbook over 15 years ago but he wasn't calling it the wildcat. Once Arkansas,in the mid 2000's, used the "wildcat" and others started utilizing it did Hugh start using that term. All it really is, IMO, is the single wing in one of its truest forms

 

I agree with you.

 

http://bluegrasspreps.com/ky-football-high/wildcats-hogs-alvis-273405.html

Saw this post and had to ask,

 

When do you make adjustments, both offensively and defensively ?

Take into account large school that have 1 phase players and small Scholls that have 2 phase players.