Danville's first base coach was not tossed from the game. The umpire decided to throw a player from the dugout out instead of tossing the firstbase coach. Thats why the firstbaseman got tossed, because the ump didn't have enough gutts to toss the coach, so he just picked someone from the dugout.

I'm not bashing their kids - I'm bashing their coaches for letting the kids act that way...

 

The coach was tossed for arguing the tag play between first and second. Duhram was tossed for coming out of the dugout to first base to argue the same call (a play in which he wasn't involved), then had to be restrained. The Lynn kid was tossed for arguing with the home plate umpire while warming up his pitcher between innings, then after he was tossed, looked like he was going to try to fight the plate umpire. Are these the circumstances you were asking about?

 

And this was the fifth Danville game I've seen this year, not the first.

 

Anyway, congrats on a good season Danville; good luck Lexington Catholic.

Durham WAS NOT ejected for coming out of the dugout to argue the call. He was the on deck hitter and that's why he was outside the dugout. Witten was coming to bat and Durham follows him. If you want to know why he was tossed PM me and I will tell you.

 

The home plate umpire confronted the catcher, not the other way around. The catcher was warming up the pitcher, when the umpire approached him and made some comments. Lynn made a comment in return, from the crouched position, with his helmet on and he was tossed. For saying a lot less that what you might think as well.

 

Both of these kids were tossed for poor reasons. Then their emotions swelled as they are both seniors.

 

I am not condoning any actions, and I am especially not condoning poor decisions by adults (umpires) at the same time. They are KHSAA officials and should be able to stand the pressure of such an important game.

 

Danville and Catholic both are top tier teams this year. I hate to see this tarnish any accomplishments that they both have made.

Danville had an impressive year, 31-8 and is that one of the best ever?

 

Congratulations to Lex. Cath.

I have to agree with Hardball. At the All "A" in their loss to Campbellsville the Danville fans were terrible. One fan pigeonholed a tournament official and started screaming to him about the umpires. As the game went on the Danville fans became more and more abusive.

I can vouge for that as well, I was sitting amongst the Danville fans, and they were way out of control, more than the usual complainer.

That's funny... because they didn't play Campbellsville this year.

 

ONE Danville fan? Maybe that is the same ONE that was challenging the umpires to fight in the parking lot.

 

 

Sorry, it was the Owensboro Catholic game where the Danville fans were an embarassement.

I'm not bashing their kids - I'm bashing their coaches for letting the kids act that way...

 

The coach was tossed for arguing the tag play between first and second. Duhram was tossed for coming out of the dugout to first base to argue the same call (a play in which he wasn't involved), then had to be restrained. The Lynn kid was tossed for arguing with the home plate umpire while warming up his pitcher between innings, then after he was tossed, looked like he was going to try to fight the plate umpire. Are these the circumstances you were asking about?

 

And this was the fifth Danville game I've seen this year, not the first.

 

Anyway, congrats on a good season Danville; good luck Lexington Catholic.

 

Amen:thumb: . Bottom line, regardless of the circumstances leading up to the ejections, coaches of teams of this caliber still playing at this time of year should know better....and so should the players. Heightened emotions in postseason necessitate lower tolerance levels by umpires to insure that they keep games under control. (This is made even more difficult while handling an argument over a "blown" call,but if that's the case, it comes with the territory.) Don't get me wrong,I'm not condoning the reasons for the ejections, only stating the fact that this time of year, coaches and players should be more aware of their conduct than usual and err on the side of caution (particularly, in dealing with umpires from other regions that they are not familiar with). There are two ways for teams to handle unfamiliar umpires, (1) Err on the side of caution, (2) Push the envelope. It sounds like the players in questions chose #2 and they chose unwisely. And, from my way of thinking, it's the coaches' job to keep their players from doing anything that might get them tossed. (Sometimes, a player just "goes" off and there's nothing a coach can do about it)Judging from the reactions of the ejected players described by several posters after the ejections, I (again guessing) would conclude that the pot was ready to "boil" from previous events, or that these same players were discipline problems (read "bad attitudes") from the beginning. Either way, they just learned a tough lesson. And, if any of these players are going on to play in college somewhere, they will find out that the tolerance level of umpires goes down (way down) :irked: from the tolerance level of most HS umpires, not up.

Sorry, it was the Owensboro Catholic game where the Danville fans were an embarassement.

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Heightened emotions in postseason necessitate lower tolerance levels by umpires to insure that they keep games under control.

 

Maybe there should be a lower tolerance level, but an official should not confront a player either...

 

And the umpires got this game out of control rather than keeping it in control.

Sorry, it was the Owensboro Catholic game where the Danville fans were an embarassement.

 

THE Danville fans, or A Danville fan?

 

I was part of the Danville contingent, and not so happy myself. However, I wouldn't say that I was an embarassment to anyone.

 

That being said... if you find a team or group of fans that is happy or indifferent when they get a bad call, or are losing or have lost, you probably wont find them playing at a very high level.

The ;ast time Danville won 30 games was in 1992. 32-6 I believe.

Both players that were ejected are going on to play college baseball. These two players are great kids and not trouble makers or kids with bad attitudes. Neither one have been thrown out of a game before, in fact last night was the first time all year anyone had been thrown out of a Danville game, Player or coach. Not many teams in the state have gone all year without at least a coach getting tossed. Both player are very competitive and were probably frustrated the way things were going in their final high school game.

Durham WAS NOT ejected for coming out of the dugout to argue the call. He was the on deck hitter and that's why he was outside the dugout. Witten was coming to bat and Durham follows him. If you want to know why he was tossed PM me and I will tell you.

 

The home plate umpire confronted the catcher, not the other way around. The catcher was warming up the pitcher, when the umpire approached him and made some comments. Lynn made a comment in return, from the crouched position, with his helmet on and he was tossed. For saying a lot less that what you might think as well.

 

Both of these kids were tossed for poor reasons. Then their emotions swelled as they are both seniors.

 

I am not condoning any actions, and I am especially not condoning poor decisions by adults (umpires) at the same time. They are KHSAA officials and should be able to stand the pressure of such an important game.

 

Danville and Catholic both are top tier teams this year. I hate to see this tarnish any accomplishments that they both have made.

 

Just a couple of facts for the record.

 

1. Danville has had FOUR baseball ejections this year. They aren't the angels you are making them out to be.

 

2. Danville only has 2 other ejections for the entire school year from any sport. One in soccer and one in basketball.

 

3. To my knowledge, the umpire that tossed the catcher has zero ejections on the year before this one. He also officiates basketball. Out of 35-40 basketball and 35-40 baseball games, he has one ejection. Doesn't sound like he has a quick trigger.

 

4. Lefty, you were not on the field, so I am guessing that you are taking the side of the player or coach that told you that the umpire initiated the conversation. Likely, they are going to tell you the story that they want you to here. I know the umpire and he has told me the other side of the story saying that the player was cussing at him, saying to him that it was a bunch of "BS" that the game is going the way it is going. The ump told him to "cool it... or else". The player was too immature to heed the warning and gave another barrage of profanity. Then got tossed. That is the umpires side of the story. Now that we know both side.... it is kinda a tossup. Given that Danville has 4 ejections from one sport in one year, I know where my beliefs will fall.

 

Danville, have a good summer.

Amen:thumb: . Bottom line, regardless of the circumstances leading up to the ejections, coaches of teams of this caliber still playing at this time of year should know better....and so should the players. Heightened emotions in postseason necessitate lower tolerance levels by umpires to insure that they keep games under control. (This is made even more difficult while handling an argument over a "blown" call,but if that's the case, it comes with the territory.) Don't get me wrong,I'm not condoning the reasons for the ejections, only stating the fact that this time of year, coaches and players should be more aware of their conduct than usual and err on the side of caution (particularly, in dealing with umpires from other regions that they are not familiar with). There are two ways for teams to handle unfamiliar umpires, (1) Err on the side of caution, (2) Push the envelope. It sounds like the players in questions chose #2 and they chose unwisely. And, from my way of thinking, it's the coaches' job to keep their players from doing anything that might get them tossed. (Sometimes, a player just "goes" off and there's nothing a coach can do about it)Judging from the reactions of the ejected players described by several posters after the ejections, I (again guessing) would conclude that the pot was ready to "boil" from previous events, or that these same players were discipline problems (read "bad attitudes") from the beginning. Either way, they just learned a tough lesson. And, if any of these players are going on to play in college somewhere, they will find out that the tolerance level of umpires goes down (way down) :irked: from the tolerance level of most HS umpires, not up.

 

 

I did not see the game. I do not have a dog in the hunt (so to speak)

 

But I noticed you did not seem to take into account the umpires actions at all in your critique. That makes it a rather one-sided observation by you. Not that you don't absolutely have that right, I just feel it's fairer to at least acknowledge both sides of an debate if wanting to be seen as unbiased.

 

As an umpire especially (you not me) I personally feel it is VERY unfair for you to throw out the idea that these kids could be "bad attitudes". I don't feel there is any need for HS kids to have that label thrown out at them - especially if you have no other knowledge of their behavioral history.

 

Your belief that "Heightened emotions in postseason necessitate lower tolerance levels by umpires to insure that they keep games under control." is not exactly what I've heard, seen, or experienced from many umpires. Good umpires always seem to keep control of games (with or without heightened emotions) by maintaining a consistent pattern of actions, diffusing rising emotions professionally, ignoring or removing hecklers etc., and especially making it a point NOT to engage players or coaches or even get close enough for them to vent something at the ump. Engaging players & coaches when emotions are high is just plain dumb - it begs for a confrontation. I feel an umpire with a tolerance level issue needs is not an especially great umpire - 100% human, but not a great umpire.

 

just my view

 

Woody Jr

Just a couple of facts for the record.

 

1. Danville has had FOUR baseball ejections this year. They aren't the angels you are making them out to be.

 

2. Danville only has 2 other ejections for the entire school year from any sport. One in soccer and one in basketball.

 

3. To my knowledge, the umpire that tossed the catcher has zero ejections on the year before this one. He also officiates basketball. Out of 35-40 basketball and 35-40 baseball games, he has one ejection. Doesn't sound like he has a quick trigger.

 

4. Lefty, you were not on the field, so I am guessing that you are taking the side of the player or coach that told you that the umpire initiated the conversation. Likely, they are going to tell you the story that they want you to here. I know the umpire and he has told me the other side of the story saying that the player was cussing at him, saying to him that it was a bunch of "BS" that the game is going the way it is going. The ump told him to "cool it... or else". The player was too immature to heed the warning and gave another barrage of profanity. Then got tossed. That is the umpires side of the story. Now that we know both side.... it is kinda a tossup. Given that Danville has 4 ejections from one sport in one year, I know where my beliefs will fall.

 

Danville, have a good summer.

 

Just for the record...

 

Not on the field, eh? You have no idea where I was at the time this all went down. If you did, you might be surprised. If you would have witnessed the physical and emotional condition of those officials, you might be suprised to that as well. Those guys appeared to be more scared to be there than any high school kid in either dugout.

 

Believe what you may... as will I. Regardless of that, the fact remains that Danville and LexCath were two of the final 16 teams in the state. Both having a season the practically mirrored the other. Only difference right now is that LexCath is playing and Danville is not. Danville lost, it happens. In the end, of all the teams in this state, only one team will finish the season with a win. All others finish with a loss.

 

And despite your snide remark about Danville having a great summer... I can say to all the teams that aren't playing right now have a great summer, next season starts now. And best of luck to those still playing.

Just a couple of facts for the record.

 

1. Danville has had FOUR baseball ejections this year. They aren't the angels you are making them out to be.

 

2. Danville only has 2 other ejections for the entire school year from any sport. One in soccer and one in basketball.

 

3. To my knowledge, the umpire that tossed the catcher has zero ejections on the year before this one. He also officiates basketball. Out of 35-40 basketball and 35-40 baseball games, he has one ejection. Doesn't sound like he has a quick trigger.

 

4. Lefty, you were not on the field, so I am guessing that you are taking the side of the player or coach that told you that the umpire initiated the conversation. Likely, they are going to tell you the story that they want you to here. I know the umpire and he has told me the other side of the story saying that the player was cussing at him, saying to him that it was a bunch of "BS" that the game is going the way it is going. The ump told him to "cool it... or else". The player was too immature to heed the warning and gave another barrage of profanity. Then got tossed. That is the umpires side of the story. Now that we know both side.... it is kinda a tossup. Given that Danville has 4 ejections from one sport in one year, I know where my beliefs will fall.

 

Danville, have a good summer.

 

Actually if you look at the public listing of DQ's (http://khsaa.12dt.com/cgi-bin/dq_list_public) they only have two this year and they were both in the final game. I'm almost positive all ejections are placed on the list so it looks like they only have two.

 

I play with a lot of the players from Danville during the summers and I can tell you that none of them have bad attitudes. They are all very laid back, fun to be around guys. I have also played with a lot of the guys from Catholic in a Fall league at UK. They are also very laid back and good to be around. Coach Morse is an excellent coach who I respect very much for his actions. He'll stick up for his players when he feels it is needed. This was a high pressure game and sometimes tempers can flare especially when calls are not going your way. I know from experience. As for Danville fans getting out of control i have never seen this during the summers either. Half the fans are going to be mad about a certain call during a game. Thats just how it works. The only people that know what really happens are the players and umps. I dont know what really happened but you have to stick up for you teammates and school in certain situations.