There is no way there can ba a good argument against this.

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I have no problem with testing for steroids, drugs or anything else inappropriate for kids. Like stick1 and All Tell said...if you know what's going on in your kids lives, you shouldn't be worried. And if he or she is worried, I'd be worried!

 

These substances are illegal. There's already random drug testing, so I don't see what the issue is about adding steroid testing.

 

At this point NJ is the state doing this. As far as I know, KY has no plans to add steroid testing.

 

But if they did, what about this as far as costs. If your kid is tested and comes up clean, the state pays. However, if your kid comes up positive, you pay.

 

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I have no problem with drug testing student athletes or the general student population. In fact, parent should have their kids drug tested on their own and not be so naive to think 'not my kid'. Sometimes even good kids make mistakes. If kids are doing something that could negatively impact them for the rest of their lives, it is our duty to 'nip it in the bud' and help them get on the right path.

 

I like your payment alternative. Clean, the state pays. Dirty, the family pays.

I guess I just think about in the 10 years I've coached there is only one kid that there was any suspicion of steroids. That seems like A LOT of wasted tax dollars with the financial shape our state is in.

First off it should be the KHSAA that pays for this testing or (tax dollars)

Second when a player tested positive it should mean right then he is guilty lock him up and throw away the key. Test and re-test with more extensive means. And yes in the event of it being true there should be something set up with counslers, doctors, etc. I personally don't mind a bit my tax dollars going toward drug testing, not only to level the playing field but also to invest in the future of these kids, you never know what you could prevent by allowing this to happen. Yeah sports alone do keep alot of kids comming from troubled back grounds out of trouble, but sometimes they need special attention. I think it would be a good idea for the khsaa to do this but not only for steroids all drugs.

 

I'm all with you on this one and agree the testing should be for ALL drugs and alcohol. As for false positives, if your 100% sure your clean then you appeal it. If my kid tested positive don't think I wouldn't mind paying my own bills to get him into his dr for a complete test!

I guess I just think about in the 10 years I've coached there is only one kid that there was any suspicion of steroids. That seems like A LOT of wasted tax dollars with the financial shape our state is in.

 

True.

 

What about this: Students who want to play sports must pay a $25/fee (hypothetically). If the tests are random, or only administered upon suspicion, then the amount collected should more than adequately cover the administered tests, provided all athletes pay their fee.

Are we going to test the teachers, coaches, administrators?

 

I bet their unions would fight it right?

 

I just have some problem forcing kids to be tested when the adults can weasel their way out of it

 

Woody Jr

 

And I think all school employees should have drug tests along with extensive background checks. When we were in Cocoa this spring the news there had a story running about a local janitor caught molesting little girls and he'd done it previously at another school! They hadn't done a background check!

 

As for mandatory testing a coach for steroids, unless some of his kids tested positive for it I wouldn't bother with it. But if it's a team that several kids they found were on it, then yea I'd have to wonder about the coach too.

True.

 

What about this: Students who want to play sports must pay a $25/fee (hypothetically). If the tests are random, or only administered upon suspicion, then the amount collected should more than adequately cover the administered tests, provided all athletes pay their fee.

 

There's bound to be a grant they could apply for out there to offset those fees if they make them mandatory.

True.

 

What about this: Students who want to play sports must pay a $25/fee (hypothetically). If the tests are random, or only administered upon suspicion, then the amount collected should more than adequately cover the administered tests, provided all athletes pay their fee.

Per the bolded part, legally you can't base a testing program on suspicion becaue if you do that then you do have due process and search and seziure issues. For a test to be legally administered it must be totally random with names to be tested chosen completely by chance and with no assurances that a name couldn't be selected more then once or that some people may not be selected at all. You can make it a stipulation of the program that after a positive test unannounced re-testing can occur. OR you can start a program were ALL participants are tested. Anything done based on suspicion of illegal activity gets into a whole bunch of legalities.

Per the bolded part, legally you can't base a testing program on suspicion becaue if you do that then you do have due process and search and seziure issues. For a test to be legally administered it must be totally random with names to be tested chosen completely by chance and with no assurances that a name couldn't be selected more then once or that some people may not be selected at all. You can make it a stipulation of the program that after a positive test unannounced re-testing can occur. OR you can start a program were ALL participants are tested. Anything done based on suspicion of illegal activity gets into a whole bunch of legalities.

 

That's cool. Then test them all!

The NJ case is likely just a politically motivated move. NJ has a population of about 8.6 million. They have in excessive of 250,000 student athletes. Thats 1 kid per 500 being tested.

Our school will start random drug testing in August they will test teachers, coaches, certified/classified and students who drive or belong to an extra/co curricular activity. They will test about 100 kids 4 to 5 times a year. The drug test they will use cost about $25-35 each i think. If you add the steroid test to that you talking about over $112,000 per year on testing cost. Drug testing can be effective is used to help the students.

I did and still do support the drug test but hope it is used to educate and help the students. If it turns into a witch hunt nothing good will come of it.....

The NJ case is likely just a politically motivated move. NJ has a population of about 8.6 million. They have in excessive of 250,000 student athletes. Thats 1 kid per 500 being tested.

Our school will start random drug testing in August they will test teachers, coaches, certified/classified and students who drive or belong to an extra/co curricular activity. They will test about 100 kids 4 to 5 times a year. The drug test they will use cost about $25-35 each i think. If you add the steroid test to that you talking about over $112,000 per year on testing cost. Drug testing can be effective is used to help the students.

I did and still do support the drug test but hope it is used to educate and help the students. If it turns into a witch hunt nothing good will come of it.....

 

 

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CC,

 

We've all heard the horror stories of how school systems dispense "justice"

suspensions for 6yo's saying I love you, having aspirins, etc. while on the other hand students can have sex during the middle of a class:scared:

 

The idea is well meaning, but I simply don't have a lot of faith in school administrators generally to respond appropriately (maybe b/c of policies)

 

Woody Jr