Tied 3-3 bottom of the 10th. Dbacks have bases loaded with 1 out. Batter hits a line drive over the head of a drawn in Billy Hamilton and the walk-off celebration begins for Arizona.

 

However, the Reds run out and retrieve the ball from the warning track (with the help of a security guard who lobbed the ball in to BP). They then go and tag all the bases.

 

Video shows that the runners on 1st and 2nd never advanced to 2nd and 3rd, respectively. So technically they were forced out when the bases were tagged (if the Reds tagged them in the correct order, I don't know which order they did so).

 

Price had a long talk with the umpires but they walked off the field without taking any action. Interested to hear Price talk about what the umps told him. Coming up in a second.

If Fred Merkle was called out that should have been a double play...

Apparently once the batter reached 1st base and the runner from 3rd crossed the plate, the other runners become an after thought.

 

Also, I guess they tagged 2nd first and therefore it makes it a timing play for the runner not reaching 3rd and by the timing, the runner from 3rd would've scored.

 

If there were 2 outs, the Reds would've won the appeal and the game would've went to the 11th.

@Clyde, can you give us your thoughts on the play? I can describe it further if needed.

 

And I understand that if the Reds touched 2nd first (which it sounds like they did) then there is no force at 3rd and therefore can't turn two.

 

However, what if they did touch 3rd then 2nd? How would you handle it (or how does the rule book/case book address it)?

I didn't see the play. If second base was touched first then of course the run counts.

@Clyde, can you give us your thoughts on the play? I can describe it further if needed.

 

And I understand that if the Reds touched 2nd first (which it sounds like they did) then there is no force at 3rd and therefore can't turn two.

 

However, what if they did touch 3rd then 2nd? How would you handle it (or how does the rule book/case book address it)?

 

I would think that would be a double play. What would be the difference if they grounded to Frazier and he stepped on third and threw to second? Two force outs.

If Fred Merkle was called out that should have been a double play...

 

Nice old OLD school reference.

I would think that would be a double play. What would be the difference if they grounded to Frazier and he stepped on third and threw to second? Two force outs.

 

My thinking is the same as you.

 

But the way Price talked, it sounded like with only 1 out, they didn't have any chance of winning the appeal.

Nice old OLD school reference.

 

That wasn't just old school. That was papa school.

If the Reds had went third then to second, how do you put that in the score book...I mean Does the Security Guard get an assist?

If the Reds had went third then to second, how do you put that in the score book...I mean Does the Security Guard get an assist?

 

That's another interesting facet of the play. Does that become fan interference?

That's another interesting facet of the play. Does that become fan interference?

 

Yes!!! Interference, protest to MLB take the run off and complete the game later.

Kind of a Pinetar Game Redux!

MLB has a rule that , while worded oddly, applies here. 4.09b says that as long as first was touched and home was touched by the runner the run counts.

 

However, I'd need some case plays on it to see what the intent was.

Richard Fitch ‏@RichardFitchNYC 2h2 hours ago

Price: "He didn’t go to second base.”

 

Umpire: “You didn’t go to Chapman.”

 

Game over.

MLB has a rule that , while worded oddly, applies here. 4.09b says that as long as first was touched and home was touched by the runner the run counts.

 

However, I'd need some case plays on it to see what the intent was.

 

The way I read that was that was in cases of crowds rushing the field in end game scenarios...but I didn't read every example given either.