I know...that's what I said.

 

But you can justify the shooting without seeing his hand?

 

But you can justify the shooting without seeing his hand?

 

I've posted what I agree with and why several times.

I read on another site that when he was told to get his hands out he responded with "no fool" then reached for his waist. I can't turn the volume up on my phone right now so can't verify if he said that or if you can hear it.

I've posted what I agree with and why several times.

 

Hey, as long as the officer says he thought he had a gun, all is well.

"Footage from the officer’s body camera (see video above) shows Officer Cruz repeatedly ordered Dillon to show his hands.

 

On the footage Taylor can be heard saying “Nah, fool"."

 

http://fox13now.com/2014/09/30/da-sim-gill-to-make-announcement-in-south-salt-lake-officer-involved-shooting/

 

The guy was apparently suicidal, had been hospitalized, arrested for felony robbery, had an arrest warrant, was drunk and refused command.

 

Totality of circumstances.

 

Hey, as long as the officer says he thought he had a gun, all is well.

 

There's far more to this story than just that.

"Footage from the officer’s body camera (see video above) shows Officer Cruz repeatedly ordered Dillon to show his hands.

 

On the footage Taylor can be heard saying “Nah, fool"."

 

DA Sim Gill: Officer was ?justified? in South Salt Lake shooting of Dillon Taylor | fox13now.com

 

The guy was apparently suicidal, had been hospitalized, arrested for felony robbery, had an arrest warrant, was drunk and refused command.

 

Totality of circumstances.

 

None of which, individually or collectively, justify being shot and killed.

 

None of which, individually or collectively, justify being shot and killed.

 

I think the law says otherwise. Not that he deserved death, but that it was reasonable for the officer to believe he had a gun and was about to use it.

 

Read Graham v Connor.

 

The Graham Court cautioned that "[t]he "reasonableness" of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight."

I think the law says otherwise. Not that he deserved death, but that it was reasonable for the officer to believe he had a gun and was about to use it.

 

Read Graham v Connor.

 

The Graham Court cautioned that "[t]he "reasonableness" of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight."

 

That's all well and good. I simply don't agree with it. IMO, if you shoot and kill someone because you think they're a danger and are armed, you best be right, or you should be held responsible for your actions.

Seems to me as if he was trying to simulate that he a had a gun by his actions and what he said and was trying to get shot or suicide by cop. Looking at what he had posted earlier and acting as if he was pulling a gun I think he knew exactly what would happen.

Just another example of why it's so hard to be a police officer, and why one should follow a police officers orders when given.

 

In that video, dude looked like he was reaching for something in his waistband and made a very fast motion when doing it. I don't see how that's even debatable. I could also hear him shout something before he did it, but couldn't tell what it was...seemed he was being somewhat belligerent. If I'm a cop in that situation and guy did what he did here...I probably do the same thing. And when it was all said and done, I'd hate that I did it, but would feel, given the circumstances, I didn't have much of a choice.

 

See here's the problem...an officer has a split second to make a decision like that. He's in a situation that almost no officer wants to be in. Officer shot, but this time the guy didn't have a gun. Well guess what...the next 10 times that officer or any officer finds themselves in that situation, the perpetrator might very well be armed and come out firing. You just have to be wrong once and it's your coffin they are ordering instead of the bad guy's. Talk about pressure...boy that's pressure. Now put yourself in an officers shoes in that situation. Not an easy place to be in.

That's all well and good. I simply don't agree with it. IMO, if you shoot and kill someone because you think they're a danger and are armed, you best be right, or you should be held responsible for your actions.

Should the officer wait until the suspect actually pulls the gun and shoots him first? Go watch the video in the thread Clyde posted a few weeks ago about the activist and reporter going through the police training of situations just like this.

 

It was a bad situation and the cop was in a no win scenario. If he doesn't shoot and the gun does have a gun he's likely dead. In this case he shot and the guy ended up not being armed. Like I said, no win.

 

Exactly why when a cop gives you instructions you do what he asks. If you feel like he was wrong there is a time and place to fight that.

It was a bad situation and the cop was in a no win scenario. If he doesn't shoot and the gun does have a gun he's likely dead. In this case he shot and the guy ended up not being armed. Like I said, no win.

 

 

I don't disagree.

 

If he doesn't shoot, and the guy has a gun, the cop is most likely dead, which would be incredibly tragic, and the guy would be charged and tried for murder. However, IMO, it's equally as tragic how it ended up playing out. Both this guy's life and the cops are equally important IMO.

I don't disagree.

 

If he doesn't shoot, and the guy has a gun, the cop is most likely dead, which would be incredibly tragic, and the guy would be charged and tried for murder. However, IMO, it's equally as tragic how it ended up playing out. Both this guy's life and the cops are equally important IMO.

Agreed. That's why when a cop gives you a command don't be an idiot. Do what he says and all is well. Had this guy stopped and done what was being asked he's still here. That's not on the cop, that's on him.

Agreed. That's why when a cop gives you a command don't be an idiot. Do what he says and all is well. Had this guy stopped and done what was being asked he's still here. That's not on the cop, that's on him.

 

While I agree, the guy was unarmed. His actions, while stupid, didn't warrant being killed. Cop or not, he should be held responsible IMO.