February 27, 201511 yr Again, obviously we do not have both sides of the story but to answer your question if anyone stands in silence for a few seconds in that type of setting it probably never becomes (nor should it) an issue but anything beyond a few seconds is subject to interpretation and potentially makes other customers uneasy, uncomfortable, etc. and that is apparently the issue LA acted on and it will be for the courts to decide. And at the end of the day the issue the courts have to decide on is do we have an absolute right to do whatever we want, whenever we want on someone else's private property. :lol2: Come on Guru. You know if this story was about him standing there in silence mentally preparing himself for his workout and this happened, you'd be condemning LA Fitness. The only reason you're taking the stance you are is because you're pro anything that restricts/limits religion or faith of any kind.
February 27, 201511 yr Thr gym only clamped down on this prayerful practice after complaints from other members. That is obvious. So we have to decide whether the praying was obtrusive, i.e., whether the man was blocking the way to the shower area, for instance, or whether anti-Muslim prejudice is behind the dissent.
February 27, 201511 yr Let me ask this, if someone wanted to carry their gun in LA fitness but they had a rule against it would anyone care?
February 27, 201511 yr Thr gym only clamped down on this prayerful practice after complaints from other members. That is obvious. So we have to decide whether the praying was obtrusive, i.e., whether the man was blocking the way to the shower area, for instance, or whether anti-Muslim prejudice is behind the dissent. He was alone in the locker-room according to the article.
February 27, 201511 yr :lol2: Come on Guru. You know if this story was about him standing there in silence mentally preparing himself for his workout and this happened, you'd be condemning LA Fitness. The only reason you're taking the stance you are is because you're pro anything that restricts/limits religion or faith of any kind. You couldn't be more wrong.
February 27, 201511 yr Let me ask this, if someone wanted to carry their gun in LA fitness but they had a rule against it would anyone care? We have always taught our boys they can carry their gun anywhere, anytime, and no one can stop them.
February 27, 201511 yr He was alone in the locker-room according to the article. Then how would anyone know if he was praying?
February 27, 201511 yr Let me ask this, if someone wanted to carry their gun in LA fitness but they had a rule against it would anyone care? Do they have a rule against standing in silence?
February 27, 201511 yr Do they have a rule against standing in silence? I agree with your premise. My example is more for the can private businesses stop people from doing things they don't like. IN my opinion as long as they aren't singling anyone out then yes.
February 27, 201511 yr There's a simple solution. Designate the sauna as "Sauna and Prayer Room." No one would know if you're praying or just sweating, since most people sit motionless with their head down.
February 27, 201511 yr Aren't there discriminatory laws that apply even to private businesses? Isn't religion a protected class? Religion is a protected class when it comes to hiring/firing employees. I'm confused here. It seems like it would be protected depending on how you classify a gym. Is it a place open to the public? Yes, and they allowed him to be a member and stay a member. Religion played no part there. From there I don't know. What does the contract say between LA and the plaintiff? I'm guessing that he signed the same one that everyone else did. Did the contract cover accepted gym behavior when it comes to this? If so, did he violate that behavior code? Edited February 27, 201511 yr by mexitucky
February 27, 201511 yr Private business owners do not always have a say... No smoking laws blow that premise away.. That is completely different than this.
February 27, 201511 yr So a private business should be allowed to refuse blacks? Or women? Or homosexuals? Or white people? Or Muslims? Or foreigners? Talk about a slippery slope... Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964: Injunctive Relief Against Discrimination in Places of Public Accommodation - FindLaw There you go.
February 27, 201511 yr On a side note, I understand why LA did that. There is nobody more annoying than a recovered alcoholic/drug addict thumping their Bible at a gym. I've run into it a few times. They make it uncomfortable to say the least. If they allow this man to exercise his religion, even as quietly as he did there, then you have to allow the Bible thumpers. That could potentially cause some issues at the gym as well. Edited February 27, 201511 yr by mexitucky
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