Isn't pretty much everything relating to religion illogical?

 

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Not everything. A significant amount of it is, though, which is why I'm fine with not being affiliated with any organized religion. Logic does work from the standpoint of proving the existence of God; not so much in proving the correctness of any individual religious stripe and their smorgasbord of different rules.

 

How? And what kind of God? Love, First Cause ? The one of the Bible?

How? And what kind of God? Love, First Cause ? The one of the Bible?

 

If you buy into logical causality — and I do — there must have been a first cause to set the process in motion. Stands to reason somebody did it, whether it's God or aliens or whatever. I'll stick with God.

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Not totally. Religion is a great source for things such as morality/the Golden Rule and how to live your life day-to-day and be a good person. That's not to say it's the sole source, but it's a good one.

If you buy into logical causality — and I do — there must have been a first cause to set the process in motion. Stands to reason somebody did it, whether it's God or aliens or whatever. I'll stick with God.

 

We've been down this road before in other threads.

 

What "cause" set the creation of God in motion in order for God to then set the other processes in motion? Wouldn't a creator have to be created too?

We've been down this road before in other threads.

 

What "cause" set the creation of God in motion in order for God to then set the other processes in motion? Wouldn't a creator have to be created too?

 

That's where the "I am The Alpha and The Omega" line comes into play.

I was watching a documentary on Stephen Hawkings on Netflix recently and he had some interesting thoughts on the "first cause" subject. He gets a little (actually a lot) over my head sometimes but he is a brilliant mind. He said the universe didn't need any devine help to burst into being. He stated that the time began at the moment of singularity and this has likely only occured once. The age of the universe is 13.8 billion years and began with the Big Bang and it was inevitable due to the law of gravity. He said spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, and why we exist.

Stephen Hawking is a much smarter man than I'll ever dream of being, but to discount the principle of causality leaves a lot of open holes in the pursuit of logic.

 

It reminds me of the Bloom County cartoons from way back when where Oliver Wendell Jones was trying to counter the logic of one of the other characters in an argument over the origins of the universe. Jones' comment was "It just HAPPENED." Causality makes too much logical sense for me to dismiss it out of hand.

I was watching a documentary on Stephen Hawkings on Netflix recently and he had some interesting thoughts on the "first cause" subject. He gets a little (actually a lot) over my head sometimes but he is a brilliant mind. He said the universe didn't need any devine help to burst into being. He stated that the time began at the moment of singularity and this has likely only occured once. The age of the universe is 13.8 billion years and began with the Big Bang and it was inevitable due to the law of gravity. He said spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing' date=' why the universe exists, and why we exist.[/quote']

 

So nothing created something out of nothing.

 

Hawking is brilliant but spontaneous creation seems to be very flawed as a concept. He's saying that in a vacuum with no matter present the entirety of everything leapt into existence in an instant from NOTHING....hmmm.

Stephen Hawking is a much smarter man than I'll ever dream of being, but to discount the principle of causality leaves a lot of open holes in the pursuit of logic.

 

It reminds me of the Bloom County cartoons from way back when where Oliver Wendell Jones was trying to counter the logic of one of the other characters in an argument over the origins of the universe. Jones' comment was "It just HAPPENED." Causality makes too much logical sense for me to dismiss it out of hand.

 

Agree

So nothing created something out of nothing.

 

Hawking is brilliant but spontaneous creation seems to be very flawed as a concept. He's saying that in a vacuum with no matter present the entirety of everything leapt into existence in an instant from NOTHING....hmmm.

 

Seems like a very "miraculous", even "Heavenly" occurrence, doesn't it? Hawking seems to be following the same line of thought as some of man's early attempts to understand and explain God. What he calls science they called miracles. It is interesting, isn't it?