The most talented Team in the NFL last year

[Hellbird]

I was told mulitple times that the Bengals were the most talented team, I disagreed.

We had the debate all season long and even after the season, but when I brought up facts to support my side of the argument, the person I am talking about dissapeared. He showed up today in another forum stating he didn't dissapear, so here is his chance to sway me to his side.

 

My last and final argument is pretty simple. If the Bengals were the most talented team in the NFL last year they 1. Don't lose to the 6 seed in the first round of the playoffs. and 2. If they were the most talented team in the NFL they don't send the least amount of players to the pro bowl IN THEIR OWN DIVISION.

 

go ahead FC, you're up.

[UKMustangFan]

How a team finishes doesn't have anything to do with their talent level. If it did, the most talented team would win the NCAA tournament every year, or the Super Bowl every year. They rarely happen.

 

Outside of that, I'm just going to sit back and....:popcorn:

[Hellbird]

How a team finishes doesn't have anything to do with their talent level. If it did, the most talented team would win the NCAA tournament every year, or the Super Bowl every year. They rarely happen.

 

Outside of that, I'm just going to sit back and....:popcorn:

Sure helps in winning though and when you lose to the what is supposed to be the worst team going into the playoffs is a pretty good tell also.

Talent can't garuntee wins, but being the best usually does correlate to pro bowl participants. Having the best talent yet only 2 Pro Bowl players while a team like the Browns who don't even make the playoffs and in the same division send 5 players tells me the Browns had more talent than the Bengals.

[75center]

A team can certainly have the best overall talent without having top Pro Bowl talent so I don't see that as something that would impact the statement. Losing to a much lesser team is also no where near out of the question as coaching, motivation, heart, intelligence and I'm sure many other ingrediants factor into the equation.

 

That said I don't see how the Bengals could be considered among the most talented teams last year but that opinion was expressed pre season by some of the so called experts and I don't mean those on BGP. I wonder what they thought at year end.

[UKMustangFan]

Sure helps in winning though and when you lose to the what is supposed to be the worst team going into the playoffs is a pretty good tell also.

Talent can't garuntee wins, but being the best usually does correlate to pro bowl participants. Having the best talent yet only 2 Pro Bowl players while a team like the Browns who don't even make the playoffs and in the same division send 5 players tells me the Browns had more talent than the Bengals.

 

So I guess Marvin Lewis has done an amazing job then? If a team like the Browns is more talented than the Bengals, then Lewis has done a remarkable job getting this group to the postseason 3 straight years, and winning the division last year.

 

Bottom-line is they aren't the most talented team in the league, but they're certainly in the upper-echelon, and most assuredly more talented than the Browns.

[spindoc]

It's The QB 90% of the time. Sure there are aberrations.

[futurecoach]

I was told mulitple times that the Bengals were the most talented team, I disagreed.

We had the debate all season long and even after the season, but when I brought up facts to support my side of the argument, the person I am talking about dissapeared. He showed up today in another forum stating he didn't dissapear, so here is his chance to sway me to his side.

 

My last and final argument is pretty simple. If the Bengals were the most talented team in the NFL last year they 1. Don't lose to the 6 seed in the first round of the playoffs. and 2. If they were the most talented team in the NFL they don't send the least amount of players to the pro bowl IN THEIR OWN DIVISION.

 

go ahead FC, you're up.

 

Once again what facts do you bring here? Your act like saying them losing in the 1st round is a fact that shows a team was not as talented as stated? That is your opinion that losing in the first round proves that, that is not a fact.

 

What started this all was I stated last years team was the most talented team since the last Bengals Super Bowl team, you chimed in saying the 2005 team was. I supported my opinion by saying how there were many NFL people who said that this Bengals team is probably the most talented team in the league. I used that to show how if the Bengals is the most or one of the most talented teams in the NFL, then that probably shows they were most talented than the 2005 team. The overall depth on the team this year with the injuries also showed that this team was the most talented since the Bengals last super bowl game. You liked to say well the 2005 starters blah, blah, blah, I kept trying to say the key word is TEAM which also means you depth but you also liked to ignore that.

 

Last but not least I even supported my claim by saying even though I believed that this team was the most talented since the last Bengals super bowl run, and one of if not the most talented team in the NFL. At the end of the day how far they would go would depend on the QB play. In the NFL if a QB play is bad, then that spells bad news in the playoffs. Well Dalton proved just that.

 

I have been in the NFL off season threads and have been posting in them, so not sure what you mean I disappeared. Then you go bring me up in a college basketball thread, after you freak out when I called you out in a thread before that was related to football and called nice names and all that and acting like you don't do those things. And then you go and do the exact same thing but in a basketball thread? So I guess that means you are those exact things you called me but even worst since you did it in a basketball thread?

 

The only thing you presented here is an opinion and your opinion is that if you lose in the first round that shows your not as talented as believed. There is nothing that shows that is a fact that if you lose in first round that states your not as talented as believed. It is just an opinion that you have. Which is the same as me I have an opinion and I tried to support that opinion. Which I do believe I have supported my opinion better than you have yours.

 

Once again your opinion is not a fact.

 

Carry on...

[futurecoach]

So I guess Marvin Lewis has done an amazing job then? If a team like the Browns is more talented than the Bengals, then Lewis has done a remarkable job getting this group to the postseason 3 straight years, and winning the division last year.

 

Bottom-line is they aren't the most talented team in the league, but they're certainly in the upper-echelon, and most assuredly more talented than the Browns.

 

This argument sure goes against what he is trying to say doesn't it? He talks about how bad Marvin and Dalton are. Now says the Browns may have been more talented? If Marvin and Dalton as bad as he says than they don't make playoffs 4 of the last 5 years, unless they are really talented. Or if they are not that talented then they must have a good coach and a good QB to overcome it. Hmmm sure doesn't add up....

[Hellbird]

This argument sure goes against what he is trying to say doesn't it? He talks about how bad Marvin and Dalton are. Now says the Browns may have been more talented? If Marvin and Dalton as bad as he says than they don't make playoffs 4 of the last 5 years, unless they are really talented. Or if they are not that talented then they must have a good coach and a good QB to overcome it. Hmmm sure doesn't add up....

 

Once again I supplied facts.

 

Fact 1 they lost against the 2nd worse team in the playoffs )Bengals being the worst ). The most talented doesn't lose like that

 

Fact 2 the least amount if pro bowl players. The most talented team has more pro bowl players.

 

Again what facts do you have? Oh yea, none.

 

All you have is some analysts claiming they were the most talented. No facts, just heresay. Got to love that. You can make any claim you want as long as you do t have to back it up with actual data or facts of any kind.

 

Guess we can say last years Bengals team could of won every Super Bowl in history except for last years. Prove me wrong.

[UKMustangFan]

You're comingling your opinion with facts and passing them off as one in the same.

 

Fact: The Bengals lost in the playoffs. It's your opinion that because of that they can't be the most talented team.

 

Fact: They had the least amount of pro bowl players in the division. It's your opinion that the most talented team would have the most pro bowlers.

[Hellbird]

You're comingling your opinion with facts and passing them off as one in the same.

 

Fact: The Bengals lost in the playoffs. It's your opinion that because of that they can't be the most talented team.

 

Fact: They had the least amount of pro bowl players in the division. It's your opinion that the most talented team would have the most pro bowlers.

Makes sense.

 

Look at the other side of the argument. That they are the most talented. Exactly what is there to prove that side of the argument? At least my side has facts to back it up.

 

That is the biggest difference. Do you think the Seatle Seahawks would trade their roster for the Bengals? Not in your life. Why? Because they are more talented.

[UKMustangFan]

Results don't indicate talent levels. It's two completely different things in most cases to be the most talented team, and to be the best team. With the logic your losing, the team that wins every game is more talented than the team they beat. That's just not the case in any sport.

 

If the # of accolades determined who was the most talented, you'd be in agreement right now that Kentucky is the most talented team in the country? They do have the most McDonald's All-Americans.

[Hellbird]

Results don't indicate talent levels. It's two completely different things in most cases to be the most talented team, and to be the best team. With the logic your losing, the team that wins every game is more talented than the team they beat. That's just not the case in any sport.

 

If the # of accolades determined who was the most talented, you'd be in agreement right now that Kentucky is the most talented team in the country? They do have the most McDonald's All-Americans.

No. I don't think UK is the most talented team at all. They have the most freshman who were McDonalds all Americans. That is only 1 class out of 4. I could think if a lot more rosters from other teams is take in ace of UKs this year.

[nkypete]

My math:

 

Talent ≠ Results

[Hellbird]

My math:

 

Talent ≠ Results

 

You and I apparently went to

That old school. The new school

Teaches you that you can label the worst teams as talented and no matter how bad they do you can always claim that proves nothing.

 

I like the old school myself where results tell you how good you are.