Quite honestly, I don't think that the status quo is at all unfair, at least between public and private. I think there is a lot of unfairness based on size, but that is a different issue.

I would agree and say the unfairness can be in several areas rather than just P/P or size.

Quite honestly, I don't think that the status quo is at all unfair, at least between public and private. I think there is a lot of unfairness based on size, but that is a different issue.

I speaking from the public side think the status quo is completely unfair!

I speaking from the public side think the status quo is completely unfair!

In what way?

In what way?

Read the other 100 threads I have posted stating my reasons.

Read the other 100 threads I have posted stating my reasons.

I haven't seen any reasons in any thread. I have seen disparate results cited as evidence but I have asked many times for someone to cite one rule of the KHSAA that applies to only public schools that the privates don't have to follow. I'm still waiting for the first one.

Just because a rule is not written . Does that mean that could not possible be an advantadge. For example, Privates administrate thier schools based on what they believe are best for thier students thus the money goes where it is needed. The publics have to follow state mandates and usually the funds go to wasteful programs that do not serve the most students leaving very little for the sports programs. As I stated in another post just the money Trinity or St X gets off ot its sky box rentals during the state tournament is 40,000. That number came from another post not by me. That is 4 times our sports budget for the year at our little school. If you want the same oppurtunities then follow completely the state mandates and regulations and reporting guidlines and completely open your books to the state. Really I do not want the state in your business what you do with your programs works and I applaud you and all privates for a job well done. But you cannot manage your schools and programs and expect us to follow all guidelines on how money is spent and earned. Then want to be involved in the tournaments. Either be the same or have your own toutnaments. Our system are different and if you are honest about it you know this to be true. We wished we had more control at the local level also. I am not against privates I just recognize thier is a difference.

Just because a rule is not written . Does that mean that could not possible be an advantadge. For example, Privates administrate thier schools based on what they believe are best for thier students thus the money goes where it is needed. The publics have to follow state mandates and usually the funds go to wasteful programs that do not serve the most students leaving very little for the sports programs. As I stated in another post just the money Trinity or St X gets off ot its sky box rentals during the state tournament is 40,000. That number came from another post not by me. That is 4 times our sports budget for the year at our little school. If you want the same oppurtunities then follow completely the state mandates and regulations and reporting guidlines and completely open your books to the state. Really I do not want the state in your business what you do with your programs works and I applaud you and all privates for a job well done. But you cannot manage your schools and programs and expect us to follow all guidelines on how money is spent and earned. Then want to be involved in the tournaments. Either be the same or have your own toutnaments. Our system are different and if you are honest about it you know this to be true. We wished we had more control at the local level also. I am not against privates I just recognize thier is a difference.

 

Since the public schools are supported by tax revenue,regardless of how much is left over after following all of the state mandates it is more than the private schools receive because we receive zero. All you are telling me is that the state mandates diminish the size of the HUGE economic advantage enjoyed by the public schools. You mentioned sources of revenue for the sports program at Trinity. There is nothing to stop your school from doing the same. In fact it should be easier since your families are not paying thousands in tuition.

Since the public schools are supported by tax revenue,regardless of how much is left over after following all of the state mandates it is more than the private schools receive because we receive zero. All you are telling me is that the state mandates diminish the size of the HUGE economic advantage enjoyed by the public schools. You mentioned sources of revenue for the sports program at Trinity. There is nothing to stop your school from doing the same. In fact it should be easier since your families are not paying thousands in tuition.

Wrong again. The state is supported by the tax base which I believe you are part of. You have to pay tuition to private school also. I agree that is not fair but to say publics enjoy a HUGE economic advantadge is pure nonsense. The money actually spent on students is much higher at privates after BOE monies are removed and wasteful programs are deducted. You can't even believe that the bureaucracy of the state can manage money. WHy not either completely operate like the state or completely seperate. Like it both ways don't you

Just because a rule is not written . Does that mean that could not possible be an advantadge.

How can one break a rule that doesn't exist?

 

For example, Privates administrate thier schools based on what they believe are best for thier students thus the money goes where it is needed. The publics have to follow state mandates and usually the funds go to wasteful programs that do not serve the most students leaving very little for the sports programs.

We discussed this one already. The biggest advantage is not the actual money. It's the mandates, and administration of funds by public schools/legislation. That won't be changed regardless of whether the private schools stay or go in the Athletic Association. The only way that can be changed is if the people of Kentucky demand it.

 

As I stated in another post just the money Trinity or St X gets off ot its sky box rentals during the state tournament is 40,000. That number came from another post not by me. That is 4 times our sports budget for the year at our little school.

 

Actually, that is a misunderstanding...I think. If I remember correctly we discussed the luxury boxes at Trinity, in their own stadium. I believe any luxury box rentals at Papa Johns would go to either the KHSAA or UL, as far as the state finals games are concerned...wouldn't they?

 

 

If you want the same oppurtunities then follow completely the state mandates and regulations and reporting guidlines and completely open your books to the state. Really I do not want the state in your business what you do with your programs works and I applaud you and all privates for a job well done. But you cannot manage your schools and programs and expect us to follow all guidelines on how money is spent and earned. Then want to be involved in the tournaments.

 

Again, I believe this is a legislative issue. It can be changed, but it requires the voters.

 

 

Either be the same or have your own toutnaments.

 

Our system are different and if you are honest about it you know this to be true. We wished we had more control at the local level also. I am not against privates I just recognize thier is a difference.

 

 

Yet, an organization has existed, and has set forth the rules under which the private schools must abide to remain members of the KHSAA. With some exceptions, those rules have been followed. But that's really not relevant, as I understand your post. Regardless of adherance to the rules, the issue you seem to object to more than any alleged wrongdoings or rules violations, is the fact that we have the ability to manage our funds without the legislative rigamarole. Am I interpreting your position correctly?

How can one break a rule that doesn't exist?

 

 

We discussed this one already. The biggest advantage is not the actual money. It's the mandates, and administration of funds by public schools/legislation. That won't be changed regardless of whether the private schools stay or go in the Athletic Association. The only way that can be changed is if the people of Kentucky demand it.

 

 

 

Actually, that is a misunderstanding...I think. If I remember correctly we discussed the luxury boxes at Trinity, in their own stadium. I believe any luxury box rentals at Papa Johns would go to either the KHSAA or UL, as far as the state finals games are concerned...wouldn't they?

 

 

 

 

Again, I believe this is a legislative issue. It can be changed, but it requires the voters.

 

 

 

 

 

Yet, an organization has existed, and has set forth the rules under which the private schools must abide to remain members of the KHSAA. With some exceptions, those rules have been followed. But that's really not relevant, as I understand your post. Regardless of adherance to the rules, the issue you seem to object to more than any alleged wrongdoings or rules violations, is the fact that we have the ability to manage our funds without the legislative rigamarole. Am I interpreting your position correctly?

in a short answer Yes. I have a game to go to now but I will elaborate later this weekend

Wrong again. The state is supported by the tax base which I believe you are part of. You have to pay tuition to private school also. I agree that is not fair but to say publics enjoy a HUGE economic advantadge is pure nonsense. The money actually spent on students is much higher at privates after BOE monies are removed and wasteful programs are deducted. You can't even believe that the bureaucracy of the state can manage money. WHy not either completely operate like the state or completely seperate. Like it both ways don't you

The economic advantage is that the public schools receive tax money and the private schools don't. How can that not be an advantage? The public schools start off with more money than the private schools since the private schools start with zero. What is wrong about that? If the state operation is so bad, why not change it?

Because we all know you and know it was a thinly veiled excuse to use the word CRAP.

 

While I enjoy using "my word" ...you are wrong....this is a true situtation.

Carry it a step farther. Most Catholic grade schools are not well equipped to handle kids with learning problems. A public school might be the best choice. Trinity is one of the best (maybe THE best) equipped school in Louisville to handle a kid with learning difficulties. Again, if the private proposal is accepted the kid is okay. If the public proposal makes it through, tough luck.

 

 

Very sad but true TA.