Rule 2 -Section 52: Article 1: Slide: Legal, Illegal: Article1: Legal Slide. A legal slide may be either feet first or head first. If a runner slides feet first, at least one leg and buttock shall be on the ground. If a runner slides, the runner shall be within reach of base with either hand or a foot when the slide is completed. Article 2: Illegal Slide. A slide is illegal if: a) the runner uses a rolling or cross-body slide into the fielder; b)the runner's raised leg is higher than than the fielders knee when the fielder is in a standing position; c) the runner goes beyond the base and makes contact with or alters the play of the fielder; d)the runner slashes or kicks the fielder with either leg; or e) the runner tries to injure the fielder. I suspect the "no head first" rule is a youth league rule, not a KHSAA or NFHS rule.

Rule 2 -Section 52: Article 1: Slide: Legal, Illegal: Article1: Legal Slide. A legal slide may be either feet first or head first. If a runner slides feet first, at least one leg and buttock shall be on the ground. If a runner slides, the runner shall be within reach of base with either hand or a foot when the slide is completed. Article 2: Illegal Slide. A slide is illegal if: a) the runner uses a rolling or cross-body slide into the fielder; b)the runner's raised leg is higher than than the fielders knee when the fielder is in a standing position; c) the runner goes beyond the base and makes contact with or alters the play of the fielder; d)the runner slashes or kicks the fielder with either leg; or e) the runner tries to injure the fielder. I suspect the "no head first" rule is a youth league rule, not a KHSAA or NFHS rule.

 

Someone should fax this to the coach's AD's office.

Someone should fax this to the coach's AD's office.

Calling Bluespector, calling Bluespector....... :)

Calling Bluespector, calling Bluespector....... :)

Well....

I am trying to move past it so my blood pressure goes down a little. I am still disgusted by it all. I''m not a coach but suppose Nicholas co coach knew it wasn't a rule and took advantage of the situation...is that ok since it helped him secure a win? Is that how coaches operate nowadays? As long as it helps his team win? Any thoughts? Am I naive to think teams play by the rules?

Well....

I am trying to move past it so my blood pressure goes down a little. I am still disgusted by it all. I''m not a coach but suppose Nicholas co coach knew it wasn't a rule and took advantage of the situation...is that ok since it helped him secure a win? Is that how coaches operate nowadays? As long as it helps his team win? Any thoughts? Am I naive to think teams play by the rules?

 

No that is not ok, that is cheating. If he misunderstood the rule it's one thing if he did it to take advantage of some umps that's another. One thing to argue a close play weather your right or wrong another to make up rules to help your team win. Either way it should be brought to their attention.

No that is not ok, that is cheating. If he misunderstood the rule it's one thing if he did it to take advantage of some umps that's another. One thing to argue a close play weather your right or wrong another to make up rules to help your team win. Either way it should be brought to their attention.

 

It's one thing if a coach wants argue, fight, scratch and whatever else, but for the umpires to either not know any better or to "play along" is the bigger shame.

 

As it has been said on here, it may or may not have affected the outcome of the game, but IMO the bigger picture is, the poor example these situations set for the kids.

That is basically unacceptable, I would love to hear the assigner and the umps had to say about this.

Article clearly states that this a new rule, can someone confirm this?

Article clearly states that this a new rule, can someone confirm this?

 

It was not/is not a new rule. It's not a rule at all.

I didnt thinkso, but why did reporter say it was? Also, did Bracken's coach agree with him that it is a new rule?

I didnt thinkso, but why did reporter say it was? Also, did Bracken's coach agree with him that it is a new rule?

 

Not sure, but from what I have been told, disciplinary action has been taken with the umpires.

Not sure, but from what I have been told, disciplinary action has been taken with the umpires.

 

........please write on the blackboard 100 times, " I will not make another boneheaded call like that again and I will keep a copy of the rulebook on hand". :banana:

........please write on the blackboard 100 times, " I will not make another boneheaded call like that again and I will keep a copy of the rulebook on hand". :banana:

 

How about writing "I will not get bullied by a coach to call a made up rule"

Here is an excerpt from a Ledger-Independent article that touches on the incident at hand in this thread. This was just posted on the Ledger's website tonight:

 

•After witnessing a blown call that may have directly affected the outcome of Saturday's 10th Region All "A" Classic championship game, I was just wondering why the KHSAA doesn't implement a rule stating that the umpires be required to have a rules book with them during games. The umps ruled Bracken County's Emma Conley out after she slid headfirst into first base because Nicholas County coach Barry Bretz convinced them that it was an illegal slide.

 

They couldn't have been more wrong and with the Lady Jackets clinging to a two-run lead in the seventh inning, we will never know if the Lady Bears would've been able to rally for the victory. They were certainly in excellent position to do just that after Jordan Wills hit her second double of the game to deep left-center field, a hit that would have easily brought the speedy Conley home with the third run. Wills would have represented the tying run with no outs in the inning and Bracken with an excellent opportunity to at least tie the game and send it into extra innings.

 

In fairness to the game's home plate umpire, Tim Hornsby, he admitted his error before Tuesday's St. Patrick-Calvary Christian game and said he doesn't blame the loyal Lady Bears supporters for being upset with the missed call, all the more reason umpires and coaches alike should have a rule book in their possession at all times during a game.

 

What in the wide, wide world of sports...

Here is an excerpt from a Ledger-Independent article that touches on the incident at hand in this thread. This was just posted on the Ledger's website tonight:

 

•After witnessing a blown call that may have directly affected the outcome of Saturday's 10th Region All "A" Classic championship game, I was just wondering why the KHSAA doesn't implement a rule stating that the umpires be required to have a rules book with them during games. The umps ruled Bracken County's Emma Conley out after she slid headfirst into first base because Nicholas County coach Barry Bretz convinced them that it was an illegal slide.

 

They couldn't have been more wrong and with the Lady Jackets clinging to a two-run lead in the seventh inning, we will never know if the Lady Bears would've been able to rally for the victory. They were certainly in excellent position to do just that after Jordan Wills hit her second double of the game to deep left-center field, a hit that would have easily brought the speedy Conley home with the third run. Wills would have represented the tying run with no outs in the inning and Bracken with an excellent opportunity to at least tie the game and send it into extra innings.

 

In fairness to the game's home plate umpire, Tim Hornsby, he admitted his error before Tuesday's St. Patrick-Calvary Christian game and said he doesn't blame the loyal Lady Bears supporters for being upset with the missed call, all the more reason umpires and coaches alike should have a rule book in their possession at all times during a game.

 

What in the wide, wide world of sports...

 

Props to Mr. Hornsby for admitting his error. :thumb:

 

And I agree 100%, there should be a rulebook on hand at every game.