Highlands and Trinity have 44 of them. Even if we had less classes they likely would still both have 20 or more plus titles apiece.

 

Not if they played one another.

Possibly one of the most uninformed and arrogant posts I've read in quite sometime.

 

Will Cooper move back to 6A?

Fairview, Cooper and Collins made it for the 1st time.. Caldwell Co hasn't been to the finals since 1998 and I don't recall PRP being there in a long time, maybe ever, so, that's 5 of the 12 teams that were new faces to the Finals.. Granted none of those won their games, but, still accomplished alot just getting there.. You're going to play a good team when you make it this far, so, it's hard to win it.. Last year, Hazard won it for the 1st time, Glasgow was there for the 1st time in a long time, Cov HCross made it's 1st appearance and won it all, FSimpson was there for the 1st time in several years, Anderson Co was also a newcomer and I'm not sure if Scott Co has ever been there, certainly not alot, so, there was 6 new faces last year.. Your complaint is basically wrong because there are alot of new faces stepping up, the problem is, each class has 1 traditionally dominant team in it and it's going to take a very special team to knock one of them off, but, it's my belief that these kids on the teams that aren't usually there would want it no other way. They want to play the best to claim being the best, unlike some of the posters who choose to complaim here..

 

Open enrollment and recruitment plays a big part in this whole thing..

1A Mayfield...won 2 of last 3 but Hazard proved last year that they can be beat.

2A NCC...top of the pile but close semi-state and finals show others are capable

3A Central...5 teams played them to within 6 points in the playoffs this year

4A Highlands...Lock no real discussion of challenger is possible

5A Bowling Green...Hook and Lateral away from not making finals...can be challenged

6A Trinity...Scott Co and X both had a chance to knock them off this year

 

Even though the same great programs that seem to always win, won again this year there is an opportunity for others to step up. But to quote a great man, "To be the man you gotta beat the man" and these 6 are "The Man" until others knock them off.

 

All classes except 1A and 4A could have had a different champion this year with just one or two plays going another way. Champions find a way to win those games...others gotta step up and take it from them.

 

How many of these schools have open enrollment?

How many of these schools have open enrollment?

 

Here we go again. I can speak for HHS. They do have open enrollment and they have maybe 8 kids out of 140 that are tuition students! Do the math. At 8 kids, that's 6% of their program. Some of those 8 are freshman and some don't see any time on Friday nights because they are underclassman. Let's say hypothetically, 4 of them play and contribute. HHS platoons and no one goes both ways, so they play a ton of kids every week. Do you really think those 4 kids have that much of an impact? Is that what makes them successful???? C'mon, you guys are smarter than that.

 

And, HHS has stopped accepting tuition students because they are over crowded. Not by kids that want to play football, but by kids that want to go there for education. I have two girls and pay tuition. What are they getting out of the football program? Way more kids go there for education than football!

Actually, especially in today'[s high school athletics, Highlands doesn't start anytime sooner than just about everyone else. Cooper starts as soon as the season is over.

Cooper started conditioning etc. last year in Nov. Our season just like Highlands just finished this weekend so it was an entire 12 months.

 

 

All schools these days do the same I would bet, at least the majority of them. That isn't why Highlands is more succesful than other schools.

 

Then tell us HHS fans why we are successful!! You seem to know how all these top programs have success (or just have your perception of how they succeed). Let's hear it!

 

There is a perception of the definition of "Hard Work". Not saying anything about any other programs, but just "starting" your sessions early doesn't mean that ALL the kids are in attendance and giving 100% dedication to the workouts. And how are the workouts structured.? Are they very open and just basically the doors of the schools are opened so the kids can get in or are they intense workouts with the majority of the kids bought in and in attendance. Anyone can say they start their program, but what is that program? I'm not saying that about Cooper, but I bet the majority of schools aren't using it to the best way possible. I bet in some schools, it's a checkbox on their to do list. Start winter program...check! Well I won't go into how HHS approaches it, but I can tell you that every kid that isn't playing another sports is working their tail off in the offseason. If they don't, they won't see the field because the next guy behind them will take their spot!

 

HHS doesn't have any more pure athletes walking the halls than any other school. I would bet the first day of their freshman year, you could walk into just about any school in the state and if you only looked at pure athletic ability, HHS would be no different than any school that is even close to their size or above. So what happens from freshman to senior year? I know outsiders don't see it like we do, but we see skinny little bean poles with average athletic ability transform themselves into very good football players. There is formula for that and only a few have figured it out. It's not about recruiting, transfers, enrollment or any of the other crap people want to accuse or make excuses for. It's about hard work, dedication, communiting support and good coaching. Period! You can assume you know everything about these programs, but outsiders have no clue. You make excuses and take the easy way out instead of looking in the mirror and realizing what it really takes! If eveyone spent as much time on their own program as they do looking for reasons or excuses why others are better, they'd have a great program.

Here we go again. I can speak for HHS. They do have open enrollment and they have maybe 8 kids out of 140 that are tuition students! Do the math. At 8 kids, that's 6% of their program. Some of those 8 are freshman and some don't see any time on Friday nights because they are underclassman. Let's say hypothetically, 4 of them play and contribute. HHS platoons and no one goes both ways, so they play a ton of kids every week. Do you really think those 4 kids have that much of an impact? Is that what makes them successful???? C'mon, you guys are smarter than that.

 

And, HHS has stopped accepting tuition students because they are over crowded. Not by kids that want to play football, but by kids that want to go there for education. I have two girls and pay tuition. What are they getting out of the football program? Way more kids go there for education than football!

 

Do you expect me to believe that every player on HHS other than the 8 have lived there since grade school?

Do you expect me to believe that every player on HHS other than the 8 have lived there since grade school?

 

 

What does living in Ft Thomas since grade school have to do with it?

What does living in Ft Thomas since grade school have to do with it?

 

The post reads as if, no one comes to HHS to play football..If that's not the way he meant it, then I apologize.

Here we go again. I can speak for HHS. They do have open enrollment and they have maybe 8 kids out of 140 that are tuition students! Do the math. At 8 kids, that's 6% of their program. Some of those 8 are freshman and some don't see any time on Friday nights because they are underclassman. Let's say hypothetically, 4 of them play and contribute. HHS platoons and no one goes both ways, so they play a ton of kids every week. Do you really think those 4 kids have that much of an impact? Is that what makes them successful???? C'mon, you guys are smarter than that.

 

And, HHS has stopped accepting tuition students because they are over crowded. Not by kids that want to play football, but by kids that want to go there for education. I have two girls and pay tuition. What are they getting out of the football program? Way more kids go there for education than football!

 

The FTJFL, community support, parental support, great coaching, work ethic, dedication, etc. all contribute to the success at Highlands. The Ft. Thomas kids are the foundation of the program, but you are refuting that kids that transferred don't make a big difference. In many instances, the transfers are what make some teams GREAT rather than just very good. May even be the difference between winning a state title or not.

 

Let's try this: Here are a few football players that transferred to Highlands beginning their freshman year or after since 1994.

 

Justin Frisk - Best player on team, Player of the Year in 3A KY

Jared Lorenzen - D1, Mr. Football

Derrick Smith - D1, UK

Brett Hamblin - D1, UK

Jordan Nevels - D1, UK

Rob Smith - D1, Tennessee

Mike Mitchell - D1, NFL

Drake Bruns - D1, UC

Zach Harris - will be a 3 year starter

 

Do you refute that these players had maybe a little bit to do with Highlands being really, really good over the years?

 

Again, the Ft. Thomas kids are the foundation of the program, but you cannot dispute that the kids listed above played a MAJOR role in the success of their teams.

With reference to truthbtold's posts about open enrollment when exactly does a school gain "ownership" of a student so that if they go to that school there can be no nefarious motivations to it?

 

Does a kid have to be born and delivered in Fort Thomas so that he "belongs" to Highlands when he is in High School?

 

Do the parents of a new born need to express which open enrollment high school they want their kid to attend so that that kid "belongs" to that school?

 

Do parents of newborns now need to start paying their tuition for Trinity before the baby leaves the hospital so the kid is "legitimate" when he goes to Trinity?

Do you expect me to believe that every player on HHS other than the 8 have lived there since grade school?

 

No, but the majority of them have! And you can say that about any school. No idea what school you follow, but I would ask you the exact same question. I have two kids that go to HHS right now. I don't live in Ft. Thomas. I pay tuition. I'm an alum and want my kids to go there. Alot of alums move out of Ft Thomas when they are first establishing themselves in life and then either move back when they have kids and can find a way to get back in or pay tuition. Again, very uninformed assumptions. Everyone thinks football players are knocking down the doors to move to Ft Thomas. It's just not reality. They develop from within! Yes they get some, but the majority of them were bred through the Ft Thomas school system since day one! And if parents made a choice that early to move to Ft Thomas, them what is wrong about that. Again for education. They have no idea whether their kid will like football or even play. Families move here because of the schools and community, not just football. Again, there are some. But everyone acts like it's easy to pick up and move to Ft Thomas. Well really think about that. How many actually can do it? Even if 10 families (which is probably nowwhere close) picked up and moved to Ft Thomas after their freshman year, that's still less than 10% of the program. Give me a break. Quit looking for excuses other than the coaching and hard work.

 

I have a boy that goes to Campbell Co. schools right now. He's in grade school. He won't go to CC, he'll go to HHS starting in middle school. He's in the second grade and I'm not sure how much he even likes football, but he will end up at Highlands. Once he gets their and drinks the blue kool aid, who knows what will happen. He would fall under your numbers of transfers, etc. But again it has nothing to do with football. It's education! If he plays football and is lucky enough to contribute, then like one of the others says, Icing on the cake!

No, but the majority of them have! And you can say that about any school. No idea what school you follow, but I would ask you the exact same question. I have two kids that go to HHS right now. I don't live in Ft. Thomas. I pay tuition. I'm an alum and want my kids to go there. Alot of alums move out of Ft Thomas when they are first establishing themselves in life and then either move back when they have kids and can find a way to get back in or pay tuition. Again, very uninformed assumptions. Everyone thinks football players are knocking down the doors to move to Ft Thomas. It's just not reality. They develop from within! Yes they get some, but the majority of them were bred through the Ft Thomas school system since day one! And if parents made a choice that early to move to Ft Thomas, them what is wrong about that. Again for education. They have no idea whether their kid will like football or even play. Families move here because of the schools and community, not just football. Again, there are some. But everyone acts like it's easy to pick up and move to Ft Thomas. Well really think about that. How many actually can do it? Even if 10 families (which is probably nowwhere close) picked up and moved to Ft Thomas after their freshman year, that's still less than 10% of the program. Give me a break. Quit looking for excuses other than the coaching and hard work.

 

I have a boy that goes to Campbell Co. schools right now. He's in grade school. He won't go to CC, he'll go to HHS starting in middle school. He's in the second grade and I'm not sure how much he even likes football, but he will end up at Highlands. Once he gets their and drinks the blue kool aid, who knows what will happen. He would fall under your numbers of transfers, etc. But again it has nothing to do with football. It's education! If he plays football and is lucky enough to contribute, then like one of the others says, Icing on the cake!

 

The FTJFL, community support, parental support, great coaching, work ethic, dedication, etc. all contribute to the success at Highlands. The Ft. Thomas kids are the foundation of the program, but you are refuting that kids that transferred don't make a big difference. In many instances, the transfers are what make some teams GREAT rather than just very good. May even be the difference between winning a state title or not.

 

Let's try this: Here are a few football players that transferred to Highlands beginning their freshman year or after since 1994.

 

Justin Frisk - Best player on team, Player of the Year in 3A KY

Jared Lorenzen - D1, Mr. Football

Derrick Smith - D1, UK

Brett Hamblin - D1, UK

Jordan Nevels - D1, UK

Rob Smith - D1, Tennessee

Mike Mitchell - D1, NFL

Drake Bruns - D1, UC

Zach Harris - will be a 3 year starter

 

Do you refute that these players had maybe a little bit to do with Highlands being really, really good over the years?

 

Again, the Ft. Thomas kids are the foundation of the program, but you cannot dispute that the kids listed above played a MAJOR role in the success of their teams.

 

That is your case, but there as some who have moved for football..

The FTJFL, community support, parental support, great coaching, work ethic, dedication, etc. all contribute to the success at Highlands. The Ft. Thomas kids are the foundation of the program, but you are refuting that kids that transferred don't make a big difference. In many instances, the transfers are what make some teams GREAT rather than just very good. May even be the difference between winning a state title or not.

 

Let's try this: Here are a few football players that transferred to Highlands beginning their freshman year or after since 1994.

 

Justin Frisk - Best player on team, Player of the Year in 3A KY

Jared Lorenzen - D1, Mr. Football

Derrick Smith - D1, UK

Brett Hamblin - D1, UK

Jordan Nevels - D1, UK

Rob Smith - D1, Tennessee

Mike Mitchell - D1, NFL

Drake Bruns - D1, UC

Zach Harris - will be a 3 year starter

 

Do you refute that these players had maybe a little bit to do with Highlands being really, really good over the years?

 

Again, the Ft. Thomas kids are the foundation of the program, but you cannot dispute that the kids listed above played a MAJOR role in the success of their teams.

 

Good post and great examples. Lets take a deeper look though. I don't know all of these kids situations, because they are spread out over a long period of time, which is the first thing I'd say. And over that period of time, I can name way more kids that were from Ft. Thomas that went on to the next level. That list looks like a lot, but in reality, that's 9 kids over and 18 year period!

 

Justin Frisk - Best player on team, Player of the Year in 3A KY - Don't know when he transferred, but yes came from other district.

Jared Lorenzen - D1, Mr. Football - Don't know when he transferred, but yes came from other district.

Derrick Smith - D1, UK - Actually came in the 7th grade from Silver Grove. Came to HHS to play bball, not football. If you were his parents and had an athlete like him and lived in Silver Grove (which depending on where he lived could be closer to HHS than even parts of Ft Thomas), where would you send him. This is not a good example.

Brett Hamblin - D1, UK - Don't know when he came or enough about him. But he is one you can have back! It doesn't always work out for the good!

Jordan Nevels - D1, UK - Don't know when he came or enough about him.

Rob Smith - D1, Tennessee - Don't know when he came or enough about him.

Mike Mitchell - D1, NFL - Don't know when he came or enough about him.

Drake Bruns - D1, UC - Mother is an alum! Not sure he would have went anywhere different no matter what.

Zach Harris - will be a 3 year starter - Very good player. Don't know when he came. Great kid. But are you saying that HHS doesn't win state without him??? Mcoy, abner, hope, Turner, cochran, murray, seidel, whitford, hayes, merkle, Collinsworth (i know i'm missing a ton of others, but you get my point) are all born and bred in Ft. Thomas or have deep roots with the program.

 

Give it a break! And even though the ones you mentioned (over 18 years) were surrounded by great Ft. Thomas kids that were successful too. If you take them off the team, that doesn't mean the outcomes would have been any different. Just a different name in the spot they played. Instead of beating teams by 50, they may have only beat them by 15-20.

That is your case, but there as some who have moved for football..

 

Key word "SOME". Bet there are many many other schools than HHS, T and X that you could say the same thing about.