I would expect we'll be hearing about Rep Ryan's initial take on TARP.

 

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I agree with his logic.

You mean like this?

 

No.

 

Paul Ryan loved Ayn Rand, before he said he didn't - latimes.com

 

Speaking to a group of Rand acolytes in 2005, Ryan said, “The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand. And the fight we are in here, make no mistake about it, is a fight of individualism versus collectivism.”

 

 

But Ryan made no bones about his philosophical influences just a few years ago. He told the Weekly Standard in 2003 that he gave his staffers copies of “Atlas Shrugged” as Christmas presents.

 

I’m well aware what Representative Ryan has said in the past about the ‘great influence’ Ayn Rand had on him. I don’t put too much value on what politicians say. I will let their voting record do the talking. Some agree with me while others do not.

 

Paul Ryan on Stimulus and Bailouts

 

-Voted YES on TARP (2008)

 

-Voted YES on Economic Stimulus HR 5140 (2008)

 

-Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008)

 

-Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)

Paul Ryan on Entitlement Programs

 

-Voted YES on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients. (Nov 2003)

 

-Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers. (Jun 2006)

 

-Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Oct 2008)

 

-Voted YES on Head Start Act (2007)

 

Paul Ryan on Education

 

Rep. Ryan went along with the Bush Administration in supporting more federal involvement in education. This is contrary to the traditional Republican position, which included support for abolition of the Department of Education and decreasing federal involvement in education.

 

-Voted YES on No Child Left Behind Act (2001)

 

Paul Ryan on Civil Liberties

 

-Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005)

 

-Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)

 

-Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)

 

Paul Ryan on War and Intervention Abroad

 

-Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)

 

-Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)

 

-Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)

 

-Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)

 

Congressman Ryan supports the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, federal bailouts, increased federal involvement in education, unconstitutional and undeclared wars, Medicare Part D (a multi-trlilion dollar unfunded liability), stimulus spending, and foreign aid.

 

 

Doesn't sound like Ayn's philosophy.

 

Maybe we have two different viewpoints as to how 'influence' is defined.

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No.

 

 

 

I’m well aware what Representative Ryan has said in the past about the ‘great influence’ Ayn Rand had on him. I don’t put too much value on what politicians say. I will let their voting record do the talking. Some agree with me while others do not.

 

Paul Ryan on Stimulus and Bailouts

 

-Voted YES on TARP (2008)

 

-Voted YES on Economic Stimulus HR 5140 (2008)

 

-Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008)

 

-Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)

Paul Ryan on Entitlement Programs

 

-Voted YES on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients. (Nov 2003)

 

-Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers. (Jun 2006)

 

-Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Oct 2008)

 

-Voted YES on Head Start Act (2007)

 

Paul Ryan on Education

 

Rep. Ryan went along with the Bush Administration in supporting more federal involvement in education.

This is contrary to the traditional Republican position, which included support for abolition of the

Department of Education and decreasing federal involvement in education.

 

-Voted YES on No Child Left Behind Act (2001)

 

Paul Ryan on Civil Liberties

 

-Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005)

 

-Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)

 

-Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)

 

Paul Ryan on War and Intervention Abroad

 

-Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)

 

-Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)

 

-Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)

 

-Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)

 

Congressman Ryan supports the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, federal bailouts, increased federal involvement in education, unconstitutional and undeclared wars, Medicare Part D (a multi-trlilion dollar unfunded liability), stimulus spending, and foreign aid.

 

 

Doesn't sound like Ayn's philosophy.

 

Maybe we have two different viewpoints as to how 'influence' is defined.

 

So we're now saying the new VP nominee says one thing and does another? That should be comforting.

 

So he "says" he's a conservative. Does his vote for TARP mean he's not?

So we're now saying the new VP nominee says one thing and does another? That should be comforting.

 

I'm saying he shouldn't tout his love for Ayn Rand and how compelling she was on his political life and then go vote on bailouts, the patriot act, increase of the federal government, ect.

 

 

Mcpapa said something about people not even knowing about Ayn Rand. I just didn't want people on here who haven't heard of her to think that Rep. Ryan and his policies is what she is all about.

I'm saying he shouldn't tout his love for Ayn Rand and how compelling she was on his political life and then go vote on bailouts, the patriot act, increase of the federal government, ect.

 

 

Mcpapa said something about people not even knowing about Ayn Rand. I just didn't want people on here who haven't heard of her to think that Rep. Ryan and his policies is what she is all about.

 

Does his voting record match his conservative rhetoric?

So he "says" he's a conservative. Does his vote for TARP mean he's not?

 

When it comes to spending? No.

When it comes to spending? No.

 

The post that started our convo dealt more with the religion angle of Rand. We're all about associations/influencers today. A Mormon and guy who AT LEAST FOR A WHILE was influenced most by an atheist is , if nothing else, interesting to consider. The Rs hang their hat on strong Christian values. Seems like it would be a struggle for some.

Does his voting record match his conservative rhetoric?

 

No.

The post that started our convo dealt more with the religion angle of Rand. We're all about associations/influencers today. A Mormon and guy who AT LEAST FOR A WHILE was influenced most by an atheist is , if nothing else, interesting to consider. The Rs hang their hat on strong Christian values. Seems like it would be a struggle for some.

 

Ron and Rand Paul were influenced by her. Heavily. They are both Christians. People support them with no problem.

Ron and Rand Paul were influenced by her. Heavily. They are both Christians. People support them with no problem.

 

This person says you can't be both.

 

American Values Network :: Christians Must Choose: Ayn Rand or Jesus

So we're now saying the new VP nominee says one thing and does another? That should be comforting.

 

So he "says" he's a conservative. Does his vote for TARP mean he's not?

You mean like our president? How comforting is that?

You mean like our president? How comforting is that?

 

So you're saying one side will bash the other for such a thing and then overlook it with their own? I do declare.

Flip-flop or evolution? Paul Ryan's Cuban-embargo stance could be a sore point in Miami-Dade | Naked Politics

 

 

Does this pick hurt the cause in S Florida?

This once again shows that if you ever want to learn anything and everything about a person just nominate them for high office. News will come crashing into your brain at a rapid speed.

So you're saying one side will bash the other for such a thing and then overlook it with their own? I do declare.

Yeah, politics...huh?

 

Are you saying it's no big deal when Obama does it? Just when a conservative does?