Put me in the camp that believes you can be an old school coach without crossing the line like it appears this coach did.

There are numerous athletes in this current generation that I deem as spoiled and soft. They have been coddled from the crib.

 

I feel sorry for these kids who have friends for parents. I am a parent. That is not our role. I love my kids as much as anyone here.

 

When my son was old enough to play sports, I purposely put him on a team who had a coach who shared my old school values and was tough in every sense of the word. He helped make my son mentally tough. That is key. One must be mentally tough to survive. So many of today's kids are not. They are mentally weak and break easily.

 

Kids and parents will continue to transfer to find easier paths. It's sad but reality. I see it everyday.

 

Is it about the easier path or teaching your kids right from wrong? You let your kids experience wrongdoings because you don't want to make them soft?

 

Is it about the easier path or teaching your kids right from wrong? You let your kids experience wrongdoings because you don't want to make them soft?

 

You and I obviously have a different definition of "wrongdoings". It's all good, we just have very different philosophies. My son has turned out pretty good in all phases of his life. Your "cross the line" is much different than mine. Best of luck.

After a lost game, telling the entire team that they pray none of the athletes are ever raped, because they are too weak to do anything about it.

 

 

So I'm the only one that thinks that a coach telling this to high school girls demands removal of the coach IMMEDIATELY?

After a lost game, telling the entire team that they pray none of the athletes are ever raped, because they are too weak to do anything about it.

 

 

So I'm the only one that thinks that a coach telling this to high school girls demands removal of the coach IMMEDIATELY?

 

I'm in agreement with you Clyde!!

After a lost game, telling the entire team that they pray none of the athletes are ever raped, because they are too weak to do anything about it.

 

So I'm the only one that thinks that a coach telling this to high school girls demands removal of the coach IMMEDIATELY?

 

Have heard first hand stories about another coach in NKY that are on the same level. No transfers.

Have heard first hand stories about another coach in NKY that are on the same level. No transfers.

 

I guess I need to see what examples are on the "same level." If a coach said that to my daughter and her teammates I would not let anything short of the dismissal stop me from raising a stink. If the school system then still determined that the coach was fit to be around young ladies I'd have to ask myself if my child was in the right school system. This isn't an example of a coach being a "screamer." This goes way beyond that.

After a lost game, telling the entire team that they pray none of the athletes are ever raped, because they are too weak to do anything about it.

 

 

So I'm the only one that thinks that a coach telling this to high school girls demands removal of the coach IMMEDIATELY?

 

It was never specified who, what, when or how it was said. Right or wrong my opinion on that statement changes depending on who said it and who it was said to. I only know of the statement. I don't even know if it happened.

 

Male coach to male team is different than male coach to female team. Just like female coach to female team is different. Even female coach to male team is different.

 

I'm not in NKY so this is all hypothetical to me. It appears real but I don't know the specifics so I can't give an informed opinion.

I have found this general rule to work in sports and business - "Praise in public, criticize in private."

 

Harsh personal review should be done off to the side. The coaches I respect the most are ones who are 99% positive when talking (yelling) to the entire team. But they will pull a player who did something wrong and pull them off the side and have a 1 on 1 whether it is just a technique change or a good behind chewing for being a bonehead. Once they know the message is received they give the player another chance to see if they took it to heart.

 

Sometimes teams need to get the teamwide fired up speech if they are getting manhandled or outplayed and out hustled on the field or on the ice. But that needs to be done as if the coach is on stage. He/she needs to control their 'anger' and channel it to get the desired impact. But they should not just rant and rave and rip for venting purposes.

 

Of course, most coaches are not good at these these approaches unfortunately.

It was never specified who, what, when or how it was said. Right or wrong my opinion on that statement changes depending on who said it and who it was said to. I only know of the statement. I don't even know if it happened.

 

Male coach to male team is different than male coach to female team. Just like female coach to female team is different. Even female coach to male team is different.

 

I'm not in NKY so this is all hypothetical to me. It appears real but I don't know the specifics so I can't give an informed opinion.

 

What is your opinion if it's male coach to girl athletes?

Agreed, Clyde

What is your opinion if it's male coach to girl athletes?

 

Crosses the line big time. Immediate grounds for dismissal.

After a lost game, telling the entire team that they pray none of the athletes are ever raped, because they are too weak to do anything about it.

 

 

So I'm the only one that thinks that a coach telling this to high school girls demands removal of the coach IMMEDIATELY?

 

No, you're not. But that would make me have suspicions if it was said that way. Not saying it wasn't! Just makes me suspicious. There obviously had to be plenty of witnesses in this case. I would find it very hard to believe if that statement was escalated even one level up in ANY program that the coach would be fired on the spot.

 

I'd also need much more definition on "the touch" Coaches can be very passionate about a sport and making elite athletes better. I am from the old school mentality and I feel that athletes need to be pushed. How many stories do you hear from past athletes that they didn't realize how close they really were and wish they had someone to push them. How many successful (post high school) athletes can look back and reflect on "that one coach" that really pushed them? I have no problem with a passionate coach touching my daugther in an frustrated state. As long as it's not abusive or sexual in manner, I am fine with it. I have often grabbed a girl in a bball practice and said "look, you are playing over here and I have told you that you need to be over here" I have grabbed them and moved them to the area I wanted them in. I didn't hurt them, I was just letting them know that I'm pretty frustrated with them because I have probably told them several times and see them making the same mistake over and over. They don't look at it as abusive, it's more of a way for them to understand, I'm serious this time!!!

 

Perfect example in my opinion...Pike and Towles. Pike seemed to have everything handed to him and never had to face failure or negative feedback. Towles worked very hard and I'm sure was pushed by his coaches along the way. How'd that turn out for each young man?

 

I can't stand the new mentality of "everyone gets a trophy" and "everything is okay little Johnny". "Your're doing you're best. Keep trying!"! It drives me nuts!!! I'm all for positive reinforcment. I live by the 1 negative, 2 positive philosophy. But the most successful athletes are pushed everyday, can take feedback (negative or positive) and creates a work ethic with the incentive that there is always someone better out there and one day I will run into them on the field or court. I need to be prepared!

Put me in the camp that believes you can be an old school coach without crossing the line like it appears this coach did.

 

Agree

No, you're not. But that would make me have suspicions if it was said that way. Not saying it wasn't! Just makes me suspicious. There obviously had to be plenty of witnesses in this case. I would find it very hard to believe if that statement was escalated even one level up in ANY program that the coach would be fired on the spot.

 

I'd also need much more definition on "the touch" Coaches can be very passionate about a sport and making elite athletes better. I am from the old school mentality and I feel that athletes need to be pushed. How many stories do you hear from past athletes that they didn't realize how close they really were and wish they had someone to push them. How many successful (post high school) athletes can look back and reflect on "that one coach" that really pushed them? I have no problem with a passionate coach touching my daugther in an frustrated state. As long as it's not abusive or sexual in manner, I am fine with it. I have often grabbed a girl in a bball practice and said "look, you are playing over here and I have told you that you need to be over here" I have grabbed them and moved them to the area I wanted them in. I didn't hurt them, I was just letting them know that I'm pretty frustrated with them because I have probably told them several times and see them making the same mistake over and over. They don't look at it as abusive, it's more of a way for them to understand, I'm serious this time!!!

 

Perfect example in my opinion...Pike and Towles. Pike seemed to have everything handed to him and never had to face failure or negative feedback. Towles worked very hard and I'm sure was pushed by his coaches along the way. How'd that turn out for each young man?

 

I can't stand the new mentality of "everyone gets a trophy" and "everything is okay little Johnny". "Your're doing you're best. Keep trying!"! It drives me nuts!!! I'm all for positive reinforcment. I live by the 1 negative, 2 positive philosophy. But the most successful athletes are pushed everyday, can take feedback (negative or positive) and creates a work ethic with the incentive that there is always someone better out there and one day I will run into them on the field or court. I need to be prepared!

 

Plenty of witnesses, the entire varsity team. Trust me, it was very hard to believe that when it was escalated not even a mere suspension until investigation was completed!!!

 

I agree with you about the new mentality "everyone gets a trophy" is not helpful in motivating athletes to do their best. But I am most definitely not for belittling, berating, humiliating and bullying athletes to be their best either. I think that the coaches that coach that way are lacking something in their own athletic background somewhere and their athletes suffer for it. I have no problem with a coach yelling at my kids to motivate them, but there is a difference between positive and negative motivation. When things start getting personal, there is a problem. It's just unfortunate when this type of coaching is allowed, the only ones that suffer are those subjected to it. Guess a schools track record for keeping athletes in various programs could be a good indication in what coaching style works and doesn't work.