Ok then, send them to Grant County where half the population is addicted to Crystal Meth. I want to hear long term plan for building a Football Dynesty there!

 

Your kidding !!! If what you say is true, your first priority is the football program? WOW!!!! How about doing something to provide a drug free place to get a good education. That would be my plan.

Not to use Central as an example too much but......When Coach Scroggins took over at Central one of his first acts was to stop accepting excuses that Central being an inner city school cannot compete with the surburban schools. The whole attitude changed and kids who in the past would take advantage of JCPS's "quasi" open enrollment are staying near home and going to Central rather than getting bussed to the traditional power publics and they have been making the state championship quite regularily in the past several years. Last year (or was it the year berfore?) Central took St. X to the wire. Something that before Coach Scroggins would be been unimaginable.

 

IMO 6 classes happened to Central. 6 classes gave them the opportunity to begin winning championships. They would have ZERO championships if there were still 4 classes. Also, Steve Serrotti(sp.) is the person that truly built Central into the program they are today. He retired after the last year of 4 classes and would have won multiple championships as coach had he not retired. That being said, Scroggins has done a nice job at Central. The Six classes watered down the system and Central started winning more games and championships. Success breeds success, but the Championship success can be attributed to the watered down class system.

They also have a very selective process of getting kids into Central. The School has around 900 students, 600 girls and 300 boys. The school may be in the city and have minority students below the poverty line, but it is not an inner city school like Holmes or Cincinnati Public that has to take all comers. Central has the luxury of being selective.

So your claiming that half the population of Grant County is on Meth? :ohbrother::rolleyes:

 

Do you understand what Beechwood, CovCath, HHS, T and St. X all have in common more than sports? Think Academics!

 

 

Even more than that, $$$$$.

 

IMO 6 classes happened to Central. 6 classes gave them the opportunity to begin winning championships. They would have ZERO championships if there were still 4 classes. Also, Steve Serrotti(sp.) is the person that truly built Central into the program they are today. He retired after the last year of 4 classes and would have won multiple championships as coach had he not retired. That being said, Scroggins has done a nice job at Central. The Six classes watered down the system and Central started winning more games and championships. Success breeds success, but the Championship success can be attributed to the watered down class system.

They also have a very selective process of getting kids into Central. The School has around 900 students, 600 girls and 300 boys. The school may be in the city and have minority students below the poverty line, but it is not an inner city school like Holmes or Cincinnati Public that has to take all comers. Central has the luxury of being selective.

 

I agree the change in classes greatly affected their success. But it doesn't change the culture of the program or the impact of Coach Scroggins. And the process is NOT NEARLY as selective that of Male or Manual.

Ok then, send them to Grant County where half the population is addicted to Crystal Meth. I want to hear long term plan for building a Football Dynesty there!

 

You calling me meth Head?

You calling me meth Head?

 

He said half. You've got a 50/50 chance of not being one.

The bottom line for private/independent school football programs is , well , the bottom line. Private and to a lesser extent independent schools have financial incentives to perform on the field or court. Public schools only have academics incentivised ( albeit a highly flawed system, but that's another thread).

 

Success on the football field for the majority of successful programs is highly correlated with enrollments, sponsorship and by extension revenue. Coaches lose jobs when private programs under perform. I can cite examples, but don't believe it appropriate in a public forum.

 

There is no such driver in a public program. Success or lack there of might mean a couple of athletes come or go, but it is not significant to the total enrollment which is entirely funded by public sources. Without this type of driver, unless you start building high schools with 1500 male student capacities, the inability to compete is systemic in nature.

 

Now if you create a class where Highlands, Cov Cath, Trinity, St. X etc played each other twice a year, inevitably, someone would lose and there would be consequences. It would be great football, but it would never happen. Fan bases and sponsors accustomed to yearly championships would turn quickly. So instead we have elite private and independent programs playing only a couple of competitive games a year (in state) and have only one or no programs that stands between themselves and a title. And fan bases across the state celebrate this.

 

YAWN!

I'm still waiting for my dynasty success plan in Grant County.

So your claiming that half the population of Grant County is on Meth? :ohbrother::rolleyes:

 

Do you understand what Beechwood, CovCath, HHS, T and St. X all have in common more than sports? Think Academics!

 

Yes, Ft. Mitchell, Park Hills, Ft. Thomas etc. Again, throw the same set of teachers and coaches in Grant County and see what kind of success you get.

I'm still waiting for my dynasty success plan in Grant County.

 

And I am waiting for you to prove that 50% of the people in Grant County are on Meth!

I'm still waiting for my dynasty success plan in Grant County.

 

Talk to Boyle County and get back with us.

Talk to Boyle County and get back with us.

 

Or the good folks in Johnson Central and Mayfield and yes I have spoken to both over the years!

The bottom line for private/independent school football programs is , well , the bottom line. Private and to a lesser extent independent schools have financial incentives to perform on the field or court. Public schools only have academics incentivised ( albeit a highly flawed system, but that's another thread).

 

Success on the football field for the majority of successful programs is highly correlated with enrollments, sponsorship and by extension revenue. Coaches lose jobs when private programs under perform. I can cite examples, but don't believe it appropriate in a public forum.

 

There is no such driver in a public program. Success or lack there of might mean a couple of athletes come or go, but it is not significant to the total enrollment which is entirely funded by public sources. Without this type of driver, unless you start building high schools with 1500 male student capacities, the inability to compete is systemic in nature.

 

Now if you create a class where Highlands, Cov Cath, Trinity, St. X etc played each other twice a year, inevitably, someone would lose and there would be consequences. It would be great football, but it would never happen. Fan bases and sponsors accustomed to yearly championships would turn quickly. So instead we have elite private and independent programs playing only a couple of competitive games a year (in state) and have only one or no programs that stands between themselves and a title. And fan bases across the state celebrate this.

 

YAWN!

 

Success isn't defined only by championships, my friend. I'd call Manual a success for, example. They field competitive teams, for the most part, comprised of pretty much some of the smartest kids in Jefferson Co.

Yes, Ft. Mitchell, Park Hills, Ft. Thomas etc. Again, throw the same set of teachers and coaches in Grant County and see what kind of success you get.

 

I'm 99.9% certain they'd improve immediately. And that's with all due respect to the coaches in Grant County. You won't find great programs with poor to average coaching. I don't understand how you can't recognize that all of these great schools has tremendous coaching staffs.

Talk to Boyle County and get back with us.

 

Ryle is a better example. They actually beat Highlands. But look at the difference in their season when they lost one key player. Different team. There will always be public school programs that have good years, but if you just take a look at the collection of d1 commits by school, you will see there is no comparison. I'm sure the Highlands crowd will say that's all coaching prowess and nothing to do with God given ability.