What else would you call them when many (not all) where born here simply to give their parents a toe hold in this country? If their parents are deported for being illegal and the child goes with them then the only people they have to blame are the parents who had them here.

 

And I will say this those on the right that view illegal and legal immigration as the same thing are just as wrong headed as those on the right.

 

I agree with your second paragraph.

 

To your first paragraph, how do we know that thy are born simply to give their parents benefits? How is that determined?

It's determined because All Tell says that it is .

In your little utopia do you really believe that there aren't illegals who game the system by having anchor kids to strengthen their claim to residency and benefits?

 

And since people get their undies in a bunch when a broad statement is made please note that I said many and specifically said not all.

In your little utopia do you really believe that there aren't illegals who game the system by having anchor kids to strengthen their claim to residency and benefits?

 

And since people get their undies in a bunch when a broad statement is made please note that I said many and specifically said not all.

 

I don't think that this specific reply was intended for me, but I will respond to the question.

 

I believe that very, very few people (illegal immigrants, those on government assistance or those that would get a tax break from it) have children that they don't want and don't plan to love and parent (even though some lack good or even acceptable parenting skills) and are instead doing it for a monetary or positional (for lack of a better term) benefit.

I think there are some things people aren't thinking of here. Everyone seems to equate "immigrant" with Mexican...illegal AND legal. This country accepts refugees from all nations. Here in Louisville, we are kind of known for our hospitality to recent immigrants. We've immigrant communities from Cuba, Somalia, Iraq, Vietnam, haiti, Cambodia and a host of other countries. They are resettled here, the largest number in Section 8 housing. They're helped to apply for welfare benefits such as medical cards and EBT cards. They're enrolled into ELSL classes, and every effort is made to find them jobs. Having worked with a large number of these individuals over the years, I can tell you that they are on benefits far less time than many birthed right here in the good 'ole U S of A. They're very proud, eager and excited to begin making their own way, and they do as quickly as possible. Of those I'm acquaited with, most have moved off the "rolls" within 5 years. A few are on longer, but usually due to circumstances not at all related to laziness.

 

So...yes...I can see where the core fact is correct. As usual, only looking at the surface, everyone wants to get all up in arms. No one wants to scratch the surface and see the lives of the REAL people who are the alleged "bad guys" in a story. It's so much more fun to be all stressed out and angry at what we want to think. So deflating to find out the truth.

And how in the world could this source quantify "most" illegals?

I don't think that this specific reply was intended for me, but I will respond to the question.

 

I believe that very, very few people (illegal immigrants, those on government assistance or those that would get a tax break from it) have children that they don't want and don't plan to love and parent (even though some lack good or even acceptable parenting skills) and are instead doing it for a monetary or positional (for lack of a better term) benefit.

It is definitely more then very very few.

I think there are some things people aren't thinking of here. Everyone seems to equate "immigrant" with Mexican...illegal AND legal. This country accepts refugees from all nations. Here in Louisville, we are kind of known for our hospitality to recent immigrants. We've immigrant communities from Cuba, Somalia, Iraq, Vietnam, haiti, Cambodia and a host of other countries. They are resettled here, the largest number in Section 8 housing. They're helped to apply for welfare benefits such as medical cards and EBT cards. They're enrolled into ELSL classes, and every effort is made to find them jobs. Having worked with a large number of these individuals over the years, I can tell you that they are on benefits far less time than many birthed right here in the good 'ole U S of A. They're very proud, eager and excited to begin making their own way, and they do as quickly as possible. Of those I'm acquaited with, most have moved off the "rolls" within 5 years. A few are on longer, but usually due to circumstances not at all related to laziness.

 

So...yes...I can see where the core fact is correct. As usual, only looking at the surface, everyone wants to get all up in arms. No one wants to scratch the surface and see the lives of the REAL people who are the alleged "bad guys" in a story. It's so much more fun to be all stressed out and angry at what we want to think. So deflating to find out the truth.

I don't think people automatically equate immigrant with Mexican but I believe they do with illegal immigrant.

It is definitely more then very very few.

 

What % do you think that it is?

He wouldn't be paying for their food, gas, lodging, heat, electricity, etc, if they weren't here working for him and if it wasn't part of the deal for their employment. Whether he buys their groceries at Wal-Mart or they do, the bottom line is that part of the monetary results of their employment is used in the US. Granted, they may send every other penny back to Mexico...which makes me wonder how bad things have to be "back home" to not use any money that you earn fr yourself here.

 

 

Well sure he wouldn't be paying for that stuff if they weren't working for him. But I do know the money they make goes back to support their families in Mx.

 

 

 

Furthermore, according to the Inter-American Development Bank, all of Latin America received $69.2 billion in remittances from the U.S. in 2009 alone.

 

Thus, dispelling the myth that illegal aliens contribute a great deal to our economy. The fact is that the overwhelming amount of the wages earned by illegal aliens is not spent in this country, but simply sent back home.

 

Read how even the U.S. Postal Service is contributing to this money drain: U.S. Post Office now enabling illegal aliens - National Immigration Reform | Examiner.com

As U.S. economy worsens, illegal aliens send even more money back home - National Immigration Reform | Examiner.com

Well sure he wouldn't be paying for that stuff if they weren't working for him. But I do know the money they make goes back to support their families in Mx.

 

 

 

Furthermore, according to the Inter-American Development Bank, all of Latin America received $69.2 billion in remittances from the U.S. in 2009 alone.

 

Thus, dispelling the myth that illegal aliens contribute a great deal to our economy. The fact is that the overwhelming amount of the wages earned by illegal aliens is not spent in this country, but simply sent back home.

 

Read how even the U.S. Postal Service is contributing to this money drain: U.S. Post Office now enabling illegal aliens - National Immigration Reform | Examiner.com

As U.S. economy worsens, illegal aliens send even more money back home - National Immigration Reform | Examiner.com

 

To your bolded point:

 

In contrast to the $69.2 billion, how much is spent here? How can you say they don't contribute unless you offer a contrasting figure of what is spent here? As TB&G noted, those folks who are here still have to eat, still have to have a place to rest their heads, still have to have to drive back and forth from work, etc. It's not like Kentucky to Mexico is a daily commute for them.

 

I would also argue that their $69.2 billion does far less damage to the country than the amounts the uber-wealthy in the US are shipping to the tax havens in the Caymans, Switzerland, etc.

 

While the illegal immigrant problem in the US is a large one, the fact is our economy would totally collapse if we were to "ship 'em all back across the border." Just imagine how much food costs (just to name one sector of many in the economy that would see dramatic consumer price increases) in this country would go up if such a drastic, draconian action were actually taken ....

I am just telling you what I know, my uncle supplies everything to them and they even tell me the money goes back to their family. I have no problem with that either, you better take care of family first and that is why they are here. But it is money not being spent here and in Mexico as do millions of others.

But regardless 69.2 billion is a lot of money going across the border.

To your bolded point:

 

In contrast to the $69.2 billion, how much is spent here? How can you say they don't contribute unless you offer a contrasting figure of what is spent here? As TB&G noted, those folks who are here still have to eat, still have to have a place to rest their heads, still have to have to drive back and forth from work, etc. It's not like Kentucky to Mexico is a daily commute for them.

 

I would also argue that their $69.2 billion does far less damage to the country than the amounts the uber-wealthy in the US are shipping to the tax havens in the Caymans, Switzerland, etc.

 

While the illegal immigrant problem in the US is a large one, the fact is our economy would totally collapse if we were to "ship 'em all back across the border." Just imagine how much food costs (just to name one sector of many in the economy that would see dramatic consumer price increases) in this country would go up if such a drastic, draconian action were actually taken ....

 

It is not a fact, there is no consensus among economists as to the effect of such an action. Many believe the savings in government welfare, education and law enforcement would offset the costs.

But regardless 69.2 billion is a lot of money going across the border.

 

We don't know the accuracy of that figure, nor do we know how much was generated by illegal immigrants.