Either way it is good to point out because it lets everyone know a coppers job is not always black and white. As a matter of fact, it is very often gray, not to be confused with any Gray Gods that you never can find...

 

:lol:

Would you say that it's fair to say when applying for Lexington Metro you are signing up for that?

 

I honestly don't know. UK has their own Police, solid say they should know what they are getting into. I'll also say that entitled college kids (and yes I went to college and have my BS in CRJ) can be far more rude, disrespectful, belligerent, and antagonistic than a lot of gang bangers and career criminals. College kids are far more quicker to make the "you can arrest me!", "I'll have your badge!", and/or pull away/resist arrest. So, I have no doubt in my mind that those who live near UK have seen more "force".

 

I'm also one of the few who's been on both sides of it. In my older and wiser age, I can tell you drunk college kids probably earn a lot the punishments they get. Most of them still get off with just AI or disorderly conduct charges, when they resist, instead Assault 3rd which is assault on an officer which is a felony....

Think about it if you worked for Lexington Metro, student after student, year after year, problem after problem. Sure, its college kids being college kids but it is still a giant pain in the behind for the local police in any college town.

 

I believe that the worst are the University of Kentucky Officers, but both were bad in my experiences.

 

I understand that dealing with the same problems over & over & over again would be frustrating; however, a lot of the problems could be resolved if the lines of communication were open. Instead, the officers are far too quick to flex their muscles & show these students who's boss.

 

I recognize that the police are in a difficult situation, being that they are often the "enemy" walking into a crowd. With that said, if the police, Lexington Fayette County Urban Government, landlords & students worked together, they could prevent a lot of problems that occur in Lexington.

 

Sure, it'd take a little bit of time each year but it would actually address many of the problems in & around campus. But then again, the government would lose significant revenue from noise violations, littering/trash violations, underage drinking citations and the like.

Dream on CC, it will never change.

 

Maybe if all the college students weren't acting the fool this would never be an issue.

Dream on CC, it will never change.

 

Maybe if all the college students weren't acting the fool this would never be an issue.

 

Not all of the college students are acting a fool. Based on my experiences, the police are a BIG problem in Lexington.

Not all of the college students are acting a fool. Based on my experiences, the police are a BIG problem in Lexington.

 

Assuming what you say is true the real problem is the police administration.

 

Not all of the college students are acting a fool. Based on my experiences, the police are a BIG problem in Lexington.

 

Based on what experiences? I've been out in Lexington and never been confronted by a police officer. My brother lives in Lexington and goes out regularly and hes had no problems either. What are they doing?

Based on what experiences? I've been out in Lexington and never been confronted by a police officer. My brother lives in Lexington and goes out regularly and hes had no problems either. What are they doing?

 

Off the top of my head:

 

I've seen police officers open the front door & walk into homes because there was a garbage can at the curb. The officer knocked, no answer, so he walked in & around the home. Nobody was home, so he walked out.

 

As theguru may recalll, I've witnessed a police officer yell & curse at a few students quietly sitting on their front porch & threaten to "bust a cap in that (expletive) dog" for no particular reason. He then proceeded to yell that he was going to "(Expletive) every college student every chance I get because I'm sick & tired of it." There was a small group of people on the front porch (i.e. less than 10 people) & a barking dog in the yard. The officer had just pulled up with a few more cops & went down the road. Nobody at the house knew what was going on.

 

I've seen undercover police officers use significant force to pin a kid up against a car at Keeneland and charge him with a public intoxication for bumping into said car while he was walking backwards talking to a group of people. The car was parked illegally & the kid was 100% sober.

 

I have personally been told that I, nor my guests, were allowed to drink an alcoholic beverage on my front porch although I was over 21. At that time, there were four (4) people on the front porch. Our ages were 21, 30, 32 and 32.

 

An old roommate of mine received a noise violation WEEKS after the alleged violation.

 

Those are just a few examples that I vividly remember.

I have mixed feelings on it former. I think you are signing up to be a police officer and then all of a sudden all the college life stuff consumes a lot of your time that would be better spent frying bigger fish and it gets frustrating. So... you drill them.

I won't argue with this. But still, the college is going to be the college. Especially when you are talking about a "true" college town like Lexington.

 

Off the top of my head:

 

I've seen police officers open the front door & walk into homes because there was a garbage can at the curb. The officer knocked, no answer, so he walked in & around the home. Nobody was home, so he walked out.

 

As theguru may recalll, I've witnessed a police officer yell & curse at a few students quietly sitting on their front porch & threaten to "bust a cap in that (expletive) dog" for no particular reason. He then proceeded to yell that he was going to "(Expletive) every college student every chance I get because I'm sick & tired of it." There was a small group of people on the front porch (i.e. less than 10 people) & a barking dog in the yard. The officer had just pulled up with a few more cops & went down the road. Nobody at the house knew what was going on.

 

I've seen undercover police officers use significant force to pin a kid up against a car at Keeneland and charge him with a public intoxication for bumping into said car while he was walking backwards talking to a group of people. The car was parked illegally & the kid was 100% sober.

 

I have personally been told that I, nor my guests, were allowed to drink an alcoholic beverage on my front porch although I was over 21. At that time, there were four (4) people on the front porch. Our ages were 21, 30, 32 and 32.

 

An old roommate of mine received a noise violation WEEKS after the alleged violation.

 

Those are just a few examples that I vividly remember.

 

1.). How do you know they went into the homes because of the garbage cans? Did you ask them? How did they get in? People leave their doors unlocked in Lexington?

 

If those examples are accurate and you didn't file some kind of complaint with the department you really did nothing to help the problem though.

 

I know several people who have lived in Lexington. I know several people who go to Keeneland regularly. I used to work at Keeneland. Are these rare examples that only seem to happen around you? Why haven't I heard others complain about Lexington PD? Not saying you are lying. Maybe you are just unlucky. :lol: Or maybe my friends and I have been lucky.

I honestly don't know. UK has their own Police, solid say they should know what they are getting into. I'll also say that entitled college kids (and yes I went to college and have my BS in CRJ) can be far more rude, disrespectful, belligerent, and antagonistic than a lot of gang bangers and career criminals. College kids are far more quicker to make the "you can arrest me!", "I'll have your badge!", and/or pull away/resist arrest. So, I have no doubt in my mind that those who live near UK have seen more "force".

 

I'm also one of the few who's been on both sides of it. In my older and wiser age, I can tell you drunk college kids probably earn a lot the punishments they get. Most of them still get off with just AI or disorderly conduct charges, when they resist, instead Assault 3rd which is assault on an officer which is a felony....

Not saying college kids aren't idiots or don't deserve most of their charges. But I do think in some cases kids are probably unfairly scrutinized because they live in a "college area".

 

To be fair...I never personally had any complaints with Campus Police (not including parking) or Lex Metro. One of the Lex Metro cops regularly attended our parties on and off-duty. He knew we didn't allow underage drinking so he was very cool with us.

 

But I have heard of it and seen it. But I've also seen college kids being idiots. I do feel if you sign up to be a cop in Lexington you need to have thick skin towards the college kids and not automatically assume ALL college kids are bad. I feel many Lex Metro cops fall into that trap.

Not saying college kids aren't idiots or don't deserve most of their charges. But I do think in some cases kids are probably unfairly scrutinized because they live in a "college area".

 

To be fair...I never had any trouble with UK cops or Lex Metro. One of the Lex Metro cops regularly attended our parties on and off-duty. He knew we didn't allow underage drinking so he was very cool with us.

 

Eh, people are unfairly scrutinized in all walks of life.

 

Only campus police I've ever dealt with is EKU police. They busted a party I was at while in college. Didn't cite or arrest anyone (most were under 21).. Just made everyone leave.

Eh, people are unfairly scrutinized in all walks of life.

 

Only campus police I've ever dealt with is EKU police. They busted a party I was at while in college. Didn't cite or arrest anyone (most were under 21).. Just made everyone leave.

So that makes it ok?

 

That's fair.

1.). How do you know they went into the homes because of the garbage cans? Did you ask them? How did they get in? People leave their doors unlocked in Lexington?

 

I was sitting on my front porch & watched the officers go from house to house & tell people to bring their garbage cans in. They woke my neighbor up, waited for him to put on a shirt & shoes, then made him get the garbage can in. He went to the next house (across the street), knocked on the door, waited for an answer, then just decided to walk into the house (door was unlocked). I observed him walk through the dining / living rooms and look in at least one bedroom. When he was satisfied that nobody was home, he walked out & got the garbage can himself.

 

If those examples are accurate and you didn't file some kind of complaint with the department you really did nothing to help the problem though.

 

I can assure you that the examples I listed are 100% accurate. I have written letters to the mayor and have personally called to file a complaint once or twice but did not see any results. I was not expecting any immediate changes, but I never even got a response. I have also had extensive conversations with officers after breaking up a few parties.

 

After my 2nd example, I exchanged PM's with theguru about what course of action I could / should take. A few of us called & filed complaints with the PD but I'm sure nothing came of it.

So which is it? You've either "gotten in trouble" by cops walking in or your record is unblemished. You can't have it both ways. If your music is up loud violating a city ordinance, and the door is open and you aren't coming to the door, then I see no wrong doing by the cops. You're committing a crime by violating sound ordinances, so the cop has a job to do.

 

Who said I got in trouble when the cops walk in? You just assumed that.