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The speed portion from Holler’s perspective works like this. If a guy can run 20 MPH then running 18 isn’t taxing. If you run 18 and run at 17 you will become fatigued faster. So the idea is the more guys you have with top end speed the less fatigued they become through the game and the more fatigued the opponent does.

Creatine causes water weight. So if they were over using then they are just packing on water. Anything in the right dose is poison and nothing is poison until the right dose. That’s a quote from someone but I don’t remember who. As increase in speed and measurables I believe there are a few different things. You can get great results with HS kids doing really simple things consistently. Jim Wendler has some great stuff when it comes to strength training. There are a number of videos on YouTube of him talking about how he trains the football at London OH. Also his overall general philosophy is really good and is easy to apply to HS athletes. Where HS kids (and some coaches) screw up is chasing numbers and maxes. You aren’t training power lifters. You are lifting weights to get larger, more explosive and prevent injury. These things have much less to do with how much weight is on a bar and more to do with bar speed. Size will naturally happen. Size will help prevent injuries. Overall programming will help with obtaining all of your goals. Speed wise even if you don’t completely buy into the Feed the Cats way of thinking for football practice for speed it is one of the best. Dale Baskett (sp?) is another one that is football specific that gets good results. If you want your kids to get faster then learn how to teach and train running form. Get some type of timing system (even if it’s stop watches) and have everyone run three times 40s two times a week. Make sure they get full rest (3-5 minutes) between sprints. Recording, track and publish the times. Your kids will get faster. Then you’ve got the conditioning portion which has to do with the energy system you use in football. Max effort for short bursts with rest. There are a number of ways to build up your cardiovascular level without sprints. The pace of the weight room. Battle ropes. Small games of different types. Then you get into change of direction. Most teams use static COD things. That helps but it also gets you good at running around cones. This is one area Dale Muller was way ahead of his time with. Those HHS teams played all kids of different versions of tag. It taught kids change of direction but also about space. Change of direction needs a response and then move into larger spaces and with variety in player numbers. One of the underlying principles of both Wendler and Holler is to not beat your kids up. Today’s workout should not hurt tomorrow’s performance. Kids shouldn’t feel worn out after running or lifting. They should feel like they still have stuff left in the tank.

Oddly enough I don’t think a lot of NKY teams have it. Now I wouldn’t be surprised if schools like Cov Cath or Beechwood have it. I don’t think any of the Kenton or Boone teams have it (Ryle might). I believe Holmes at different times has had some form of it. Lloyd doesn’t. The difference is schools that want it or want to help their programs find a way to do it. They figure out how to code it for the state. Places that don’t care or that are ignorant simply will say it can’t be done.

To add to just strange things that were common practice before Coach Cole that are not typical. The football program had to pay for on game nights officials (this is common), gate workers, EMS, police officers and either had to pay someone to clean the stands and collect all the bagged trash or the coaches/team had to. The only thing the district provided for the team was field paint. Anything past that the team had to find the money for.

Scott Co, Montgomery Co, Great Crossing, Boyle, Larue, Shelby Co, Franklin Co, I believe Highlands has added it and that’s just off the top of my head. It has become a much more common practice over the last 10+ years. Outside the state of KY it is very common.

The school would not allow AM lifts before school and they would give coaches an athletic period (in school weights). Their competition certainly had those in most cases. There were other issues with the use of the weight room, weight room equipment and funding.

If they want to gain weight then they need to lift. Past that they need an increase in caloric intake. Obviously there are good healthy choices out there but for HS kids just getting them to eat enough is the hard part. The other part is they need sleep. They need at least 8 hours and if they get enough rest their bodies can hit two cycles of testosterone outputs. Which brings up the fact that kids will have a hard time with weight until that testosterone really starts to kick in. There is nothing wrong with creatine. It’s a heck of a lot safer than a ton of other things kids put into their bodies. Creatine in general is a good supplement to take throughout your life. As far as the original question goes. For HS players the skinnies I believe time in a 10 yard fly. For the big kids it is probably a 10 yard start. Past HS or higher level HS players I believe it’s flying 10.

He was. The field or stadium was named after him a couple of years ago. After that I believe it was Crowley, the Bowlin followed by Davis.

In the district for 18 years myself.

Davis resigned but was basically given the option to resign or be fired. That happened after an admin change and some parents not liking how Davis’s rules. Davis did a very good job. Arvin was promised a number of things that he was never given (Paul Rains was interested in the job at the time but the district wouldn’t give him what he wanted). Arvin was not let go as a coach but was not renewed as a teacher. No one ever really got to see what Arvin could have done. Siple had a certification issue he was aware of but never took action on. That was the reason he did not continue to teach/coach. Under Siple they did almost beat Madison Central in the first round of the playoffs and had a game against Conner or Dixie they should have won but there was the wrong application of a penalty multiple times. The opponent was allowed to rough the kicker and the officials forced Grant to take the penalty on the kickoff. Siple definitely had some moments. Dalzell left due to an issue with the district. He wasn’t let go as the HC or as a teacher. Lack of support is tough to overcome. Morris actually won district coach of the year in a district with Scott Co, Douglas, Montgomery Co and Great Crossing. The last two seasons were in part fallout from COVID and Covid 2.0. The schedule was also above their weight class due to some poor scheduling choices. Cole it appears finally got some district backing. He is the first coach to get in school lifting and was allowed to lift before school. Both of those had never been allowed. He did a very good job scheduling to help the program. His two senior classes were forced as freshman due to numbers to play varsity football against Douglas, Scott Co, Montgomery Co and Great Crossings. The principal that hired him moved to superintendent after his first year. So bad hire after bad hire I’m not sure is completely accurate. One common thread is administration from central office, principals and AD didn’t make anyone’s life easy or truly help the program. In many cases as bad as it might have looked from the outside some of those years those guys did some amazing jobs coaching.

What makes you say it was “bad hire after bad hire”?

I thought he was an assistant principal now at Lloyd. Is he teaching classes too?

If your school can do it morning practices are the way to go. One reason it’s good at Lloyd is it’s a walking district. Districts with a wider spread it is more challenging or just not an option. It is also harder to do depending on your staff and their jobs. The other upside for Lloyd is it helps keep the kids from running the streets or staying up till whatever time in the morning.

I think number 5 is one that is often left off or undervalued. It also might be the most difficult for HS athletes.

It’s the second part that has been the issue pretty much since the beginning. It would take central office, principal and the AD and that’s never happened. I think a number of people would be surprised (or maybe not) if they knew all the challenges the program has faced from within. The district did change the AD position to a central office position. The district has a number of obstacles. Teacher pay is on the low end. Teachers can go in any number of directions and make more money. There isn’t a lot of business in the area so the same places get tapped from all organizations. There has been a drop in population. If it wasn’t for Covid they would have dropped from 5A to 4A which would have helped. Instead that dropped happened later. It does appear that once Coach Cole got the job the program was given some things that were not given before. If you look at the history of the program you might have to go back to Mike Davis or before to find when they didn’t hire a coach in May or June.

Flipping your OL in the wing-T might be the best way to learn it. It allows players to get good at a small set of skills and cuts down on the overall learning. It also helps a team place players in better positions for success. While not wing-T Boone county used to do this back in their power I days.

They did add it to the offense. I just don’t see it as part of the base offense. When I think of an option offense I think of having option at its core such as Flexbone and split back veer. The wing-T always had the double option stuff and later (like you said) added the veer schemes. The hybrid guys either add option or expand/focus on passing depending on who they have.

I’m not sure the offense had any wing-T origins. Counter GT was their only gap scheme. Everything else was man blocked. That was the crazy part there were no real rules.

Kenny’s system is a little different. It isn’t built to move from gun to understand center. He also doesn’t run trap from what I know. Kenny’s system is Buck, Counter, and versions of one back/OG power. Almost everything is built off of those three schemes. Some years he has run a little zone or duo along with some other pin and pull stuff. Rick Stewart designed his pistol wing-T to be run from the gun and under center. Stewart’s stuff is kind of a mix between old school wing-T and a little bit of the hybrid stuff. Dale Muller’s offense is kind of a different animal. He did a clinic on it after he retired. They did run Buck but it was a little different than traditional buck sweep. He also said he only ran it to the boundary. They did run a kind of roll out /QB run package that looked like Buck. They ran counter GT. No trap. He had some of the craziest blocking rules (and honestly kind of brilliant) that I’ve ever seen. I’ve never seen a run game put together like his.

Hybrid wing-T is the name given to the Herschel Moore/Wes Elrod version of the offense. It is more jet/rocket based with some option. They typically use a metric ton of formations. They also tend to have a distinct form of verbiage that is very different. The OL are given letters according to if they are play side or backside. The play calls tell the OL which guy kicks and which guy wraps. So they can basically draw up any blocking scheme they want. Both Coach Moore and Coach Elrod have passed away. Getting their materials now is more difficult. The hybrid version basically grew out of Georgia and Tennessee.

The wing-T is not an option offense. You can add it but it is not an option based offense like split back veer, Flexbone and some I or wishbone teams. The offense is based out of series where the backfield action and the blocking scheme look very similar to each other (if not almost the same) within a series. There are some teams that will move back and worth (look up Rick Stewart) but it is rare. Stewart is somewhere between a traditional wing-T and a hybrid wing-T guy. I believe the new coach at Oldham county is a hybrid guy. You can run buck sweep blocking from the gun and a few other schemes. They aren’t as deceptive nor do they hit as fast. A number of them take adjustments. It would really come down to if you felt the juice was worth the squeeze and if you had the guys that could really coach both.

If you’re really going to run the wing-T it’s tough to do much else. The footwork and timing takes a lot of practice. A number of wing-T guys will tell you to get the offense to really roll you either need to be able to run options or pass. There are some people that do a very good job throwing out of the wing-t.

Came across the listserv this afternoon they are looking for a DC.

I don’t see how board drills would be an issue unless you’re still using boards. The reason I mention boards is because you can slip on them. Teams have gone to basically stall mats. I don’t see how board drills are any more dangerous than 1 on 1s which teams from HS to pro do. Oklahoma because an issue when either there is a mismatch (size or skill wise) or the distance is to great. You might not see old school Oklahoma much anymore. You certainly see similar drills. There is the cone version with players at different depth. OL/DL, RB/LB and then WR/DB. A ball carrier runs the cone. At different depths the position matchups work on blocks and block destruction. The other one that is typical is millennial Oklahoma which is the fast screen version. Colleges for sure run different versions of it. Where drills get dangerous in any form is when space is increased or there are mismatches. 7 on 7 can be just as dangerous if not more than Oklahoma and definitely board drills.

Do you mean gap schemes on offense or are you saying there are guys running defenses that aren’t assigning defenders gaps?