TheLastDon

Relatively surprising that it was this lopsided sounds like Walton couldn't keep up with the speed everyone was talking about all week. 2A next year for Walton, interesting to see how they handle the upgrade.. Congrats to Walton's seniors on making the schools first playoff appearance, good group of young men...

I don't think you would see BLOWOUT wins.. Might be sound wins like 28-14 or 35-21 but not 61-0... But those games would be much more fun to watch and a lot more competitive.. I also agree to disagree AMERICA IS BEAUTIFUL!!!! Enjoy round 2...

Nobody ever said to cut out the first round, just simply limit the teams that get in and make it a prestige to play in the playoffs.. right now nobody can say its a big deal to make the playoffs.. before these current classes and districts it was a big deal to make the playoffs, now its just another game...

kg, your buddy Barth isn't anything special either... I believe they simply run a Wing-T-esque formation (been around for a while) and showed up in the right place at the right time... With a good group of upper classmen who already knew what it took to win ball games.. Not discounting the progress of the program, just saying that it's not like he had to revive a fledgling program by any means.. I.E. the next Dayton coach..

WOW, kg came into BGPreps with some hard words... Sometimes you have to go with what you have and like sarge said, it was relatively effective.. Not a fan of the formation in HS either, but you gotta do what you gotta do to move the ball... And when 75% of your players have only played for a year or so, you have to start from somewhere..

Again wasn't comparing high school and college, was merely using a reference point so you could see what the first round of the playoffs is like. And of course the number of football players has increased, the number of teams has increased. Still doesn't mean we should let them into the playoffs just because they field a team and are high schoolers who may not get to play again. If they work hard enough, there are PLENTY of avenues for them to keep in the sport. Plus I heard on the radio last night that there are more small school programs now than there ever has been (NAIA, DIVII, DIVIII) This is the problem with our youth of today, not enough management. They get what they want without having to work for it, I see it on a daily basis.. It's time to stop treating these young men like kids. Not saying I am that old, but when I was a young man in hs I didnt get to go to the playoffs until my Senior year and it was because we didn't finish in the top four of a haaaaard district (Lou Trinity, Ballard, Oldham, So. Oldham, Shelby Co, Lou. Eastern, Fern Creek).. You had to win 3 games in your district! In the offseason between Jr. and Sr. our players made the decision we wanted to go to the playoffs and we worked our behinds off and accomplished our goal.. Nobody PUT us in the playoffs, we MADE the playoffs.. Thats what KY HS football needs again... Teams making the playoffs not just getting to go...

If these teams know they are going to get handled and EMBARRASSED, I think you would come to find in your "poll" of these student-athletes that they would prefer not to play that game in particular. SITTING HOME should be enough creed for the need to improve.. How do you think all of the college teams that dont become bowl eligible feel when they are sitting at home watching all of the games over the holidays?? They get mad and try to get better next year, they don't have thier own bowl games between the BCS games and play the schools playing in the BCS games.. That is essentially what you are seeing predominately in the first round.. Like Oregon vs. Portland State 2 weeks before BCS championship game... would never happen...

Not a hs bball kinda guy, appreciate the effort the kids give in playing it just not my cup of tea.. however disttict tourneys in hs bball are much closer I would think than two opposite districts playing in hs football.. and somebody posted in the first page that I was saying all losing teams don't have good people in charge.. not "good" as in like nice and law abiding, etc but football wise "good".. and yes most bad teams have sub-par coaching doubled with sub-par talent overall.. not their fault, but really hard to get coaching talent into those programs, and for good reason...

Jerry cline didn't work out so hot out at WV last year, one year and out as o-coordinator.. what makes you think he would be a good head coach at dayton?

Think WV has a shot, never watched Frankfort play so I am kinda in the dark on this matchup... All depends on who controls LOS when you hit the playoffs....

I was using the imagery of a trophy to prove my point, yet you kind of did it in your own post.. These teams may not have gotten a trophy for going and getting spanked, but they did get rewarded by making money that they shouldn't have.. I know, I know you are going to say something about that comment not being fair and what about the kids and the program and blah blah blah.. But in the end we are ultimately rewarding in some way, shape or form these teams for losing and not being competitive. IMO each school is solely responsible for it's athletic survival, not the KHSAA by putting them in the playoffs to make some extra cash.. Go out and raise money if you need things, have the players volunteer somewhere and have the company or whatever pay the athletic program.. Have a lift-a-thon, so many ways to increase cash and I would be embarrassed if I were a team who went to the playoffs with 0,1,2 even maybe 3 wins just to make some extra money and have my players/team get obliterated.. Talk about exploitation.... Interesting to see as well if these 3 win teams that made it through the first round advance any farther...

And yes true blue, its that easy... although having athletes doesn't hurt...

So I was correct, 5 out of 42.. for a grand total of a 12.5% chance of winning a game... so maybe we allow teams with three wins in considering those were the only ones who won... and tsyoung your talking complete hypotheticals, these results posted before your comment are proof for this argument to not allow these teams in.. come on put on big boy pants and stop treating high school like pee-wee football where everybody gets a trophy...

Last nights games only prove my point that these teams have no business in the playoffs... didn't fully look through the list to see if any of the aforementioned teams actually won, but I bet its less than 5 out of 42..

Natural coaching progressions, you win at the smaller level and the next level wants you.. When those bigger jobs come calling as a coach you get packing.. Unless you are a homer who wants to stay at one school for a career.. Not too many coaches do that, they want to rise up the ranks just like in any job.. Dayton is not a top tier coaching job so it's not surprising that coaches who were successful there eventually left.. More than likely for bigger schools or more lucrative opportunities.. High schools nowadays are lucky to keep an up and coming coach for more than 2-3 years..

Sounds to me like you didnt go to one of those 20-25 schools.. THEM PLACES? GOT KIDS? Those places, and have kids.. Come on bro, dont hate on schools if you sound like you didnt graduate from one.. Not a single coach (except NFL) coaches for the money... Dayton obviously "gets it" b/c they have been successful in the past, 1A schools are always going to have ups and downs (very high ups and very low downs) depends on the talent they are lucky enough to keep.. Minus three or four schools in 1A, this is the every year struggle...

Enrollment controls the class system, best way to do it... Atleast probably the most fair way.. Unless you form some type of GCL'ish conference for parochial, independent, or private schools... Which will still have its critics.. KHSAA doesnt make any money on games until the State championship as schools host the games up until that point.. So money can't be a motivating factor for allowing this many bad teams into the playoffs.. It's simply the whininess of some school boards that the same teams win every year and the little guy never gets a shot.. BOO-HOO.. Win and your in, simple as that.. Anybody can build a competitive football team if they try hard enough and bring in good people..

I have never met Coach Deaton, but did have the opportunity to coach against his brother (atleast I am pretty sure thats who he was). Was very appreciative that I scheduled a game against him even though thier MS team wasn't in our league. Seemed like a really nice guy and from what I have seen over the years apples dont fall far from trees. Which would leave me to believe Deaton is probably an okay guy who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.. Some coaches have a tough time not only dealing with losing but dealing with overwhelming adversity. Thats what this sounds like, pressure from administration to win, pressure from the community, and pressure especially from the players who seem to have a chip on thier shoulder and think they are better than 0-10... No team is better than they really are (THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE)... I posted before that Dayton is a fledgling program right now and if they dont continue thier own MS program it will continue to spiral downwards.. I recently read an article on Pete Carroll and one of things he said is it makes a coaching job impossible when the players won't buy into what your selling. (Carroll after following Parcells at NE).. It sounds to me like the players werent buying what Deaton was selling, which is okay, but you cant completely blame the coach.. Any great coach will always take the blame for a loss, but great players rally around thier coach and play twice as hard so their leader doesn't have to deal with that. I always hate to see a coach leave in dire circumstances such as this but thats the profession and if you cant bounce back from it then you dont need to be in it.. Hopefully Dayton will right this ship and put some stock into thier next head coach and help sell him to the kids because it sounds like they are some TOUGH customers...

That number sub .500 records in playoffs would be probably above 50% if I recall correctly when I was looking at this.. a lot of 4-6 teams are in.. some have good district records, some don't... brackets are available through KHSAA website..

You can thank the wonderful taxpayers who fork out 16% property taxes for the school.. LOTS of money especially with the $250-500,000/house neighborhoods being built in Verona... Smart move by the powers that be to produce revenue for the school... But don't forget that McMillen & Co. worked tirelessly to drum up excitement and interest when the program first started, and from what I hear it continues to grow within the student body.. Especially in light of thier recent success.. Smart move for WV to add football and do it the right way instead of lining a cow pasture and buying footballs.. Will continue to grow and eventually be a player at the state level year after year...

The most glaring aspect I see of the list of teams is that in 2A there are 6 district winless teams in the playoffs.. RIDICULOUS!!!

Then why play a regular season? just start with everybody in the brackets in every class and play a round a week....(JK).. However, if the kids didnt deserve it (by having a winning or atleast .500 record) then why are we rewarding them? I thought we were supposed to prepare these young men for the future not only in sports but in life as well.. This teaches them they can be sub-par and still be rewarded.. Not how it works in college or life.. If I were sub-par at my job in sales, I would have been let go a loooong time ago... Same thing in collegiate sports, like a poster said previously you have to atleast win 6 games to be bowl eligible.. KHSAA needs to rethink their playoff brackets and instead of having these non-existent first round games, install more byes for the top teams in districts and make it top three of district get in instead of four.. Then you would atleast have to win a district game to get in...

Seems like 2A and 3A have thpe most.. wonder why? Do those teams have a harder time scheduling non district opponents? Therefore resort to playing bigger schools?

Here they are: 1A: Fulton Co. (1-8) Gallatin (2-8) Bracken (2-8) Berea (2-8) Lynn Camp (3-7) Jenkins (0-10) * Paintsville (3-7) 2A: Fort Knox (3-7) * Metcalfe Co. (1-9) * Bardstown (3-7) Lloyd (2-8) * Owen (3-7) * Knott Co. Central (0-10) * Bath (2-8) * Shelby Valley (3-7) Leslie Co. (3-7) 3A: Butler Co. (2-8) Webster Co. (3-7) McClean Co. (0-10) * Spencer Co. (0-10) * Moore (3-7) Shawnee (2-7) * E-town (3-7) Western Hills (3-7) Fleming Co. (2-8) 4A: Warren East (2-8) Calloway Co. (2-8) * Hopkins Co. Central (3-7) Breckinridge (2-8) Boyd (1-9) Madison Sou. (1-9) 5A: Barren Co. (2-8) * Ohio Co. (2-8) Waggener (1-9) Woodford Co. (1-9) * Scott (2-8) * Mercer Co. (3-7) 6A: Fern Creek (3-7) Apollo (2-8) Southern (2-8) * Paul Laurence Dunbar (1-9) * Bryan Station (1-9) Madison Central (1-9) * Winless in District has * by record....

Always found this to be interesting since the move to 6 class system. How many do we have this year, if any? Do these teams deserve to be in or is it watering down the playoff competition? Post your thoughts....