Clyde, Randy has made some good points. refs don't ignore rules, but as a fellow human a mistake can be made. I was told many times in Ref/Umpire clinics that once the game has started you have to "be in complete control". It was said more to us than anything.

 

You've already said you would ignore a rule. You now say "refs don't ignore rules." Which is it?

 

Secondly, "complete control" is a must. That doesn't mean "ignore rules."

 

RP's argument was that you don't call it if it doesn't impact the game ie jersey color. I argue that the transposing of a number in the scorebook has zero impact on how a team plays their opponent. So, logic says that we should ignore that one as well.

The jersey number doesn't have anything to do with the coach, but the names in the book do.

 

The jersey numbers do have an effect on players being assessed fouls. Again, if Clyde calls #23 for a foul, but there's no #23 in the book, then that does effect the game, does it not? That's why that rule is in place, correct?

 

What changed between the start of the game and halftime that merited this technical be given?

 

You're going to have to give me some more detail as to the foul on 23 but no 23 in the book affecting the game scenario.

If #23 for Cov Cath is recorded as #32 in the book (the scenario you outlined in post #41), then #23 can't have any fouls. So I'm saying that does effect the game, because #23's number isn't listed right in the book. That's why they have that rule in place, right? Because it can effect the game.

If #23 for Cov Cath is recorded as #32 in the book (the scenario you outlined in post #41), then #23 can't have any fouls. So I'm saying that does effect the game, because #23's number isn't listed right in the book. That's why they have that rule in place, right? Because it can effect the game.

 

Are you assuming that no personal foul is recorded in the book?

RP's argument was that you don't call it if it doesn't impact the game ie jersey color. I argue that the transposing of a number in the scorebook has zero impact on how a team plays their opponent. So, logic says that we should ignore that one as well.

 

I don't disagree with that. I'm saying it effects the game from an officiating & scorekeeping standpoint.

 

I don't even disagree with the uniform color rule. You can't have two teams wearing the same color, or have a team wearing alternate uniforms that make the numbers too difficult to discern. So my issue is not with the rule; nor is it with the rule being violated, because it clearly was. But why enforce it at halftime & not at the tip? I'm pretty sure it's because the officials rightly determined that this was for a worthy cause & looked the other way, but then they were forced into a corner when the opposing coach griped about it at the half. They then called the T because the rule clearly states that.

 

Here's something I just thought about: Is there any other instance in which a violation is committed, but gets overlooked & then later in the game it's recognized? Because isn't that what happened here?

Just for the sake of argument here...what would've happened if the girls would've come back out at halftime in their normal white uniforms? Would they have been assessed a T for changing colors (even if the first color was illegal?) If not, could the opposing coach still argue his point, even though the offense had already been corrected?

Just for the sake of argument here...what would've happened if the girls would've come back out at halftime in their normal white uniforms? Would they have been assessed a T for changing colors (even if the first color was illegal?) If not, could the opposing coach still argue his point, even though the offense had already been corrected?

 

No T.

Are you assuming that no personal foul is recorded in the book?

 

Yes. What do you do as an official if I'm wearing #23 and commit a foul, but the book has me wearing #32? Isn't a T assessed? And isn't that why the rule is in place--for the officials & scorekeeper?

Yes. What do you do as an official if I'm wearing #23 and commit a foul, but the book has me wearing #32? Isn't a T assessed? And isn't that why the rule is in place--for the officials & scorekeeper?

 

Randy Parker is getting the foul. When the book says "we have Randy Parker listed as 32" I tell them to correct it, give the foul to 23 Randy Parker, and assess a T.

 

Therefore, my original statement that it has no impact on the game (Randy was assessed the foul as he should have been) is true. So, do I ignore the T for that reason?

Randy Parker is getting the foul. When the book says "we have Randy Parker listed as 32" I tell them to correct it, give the foul to 23 Randy Parker, and assess a T.

 

Therefore, my original statement that it has no impact on the game (Randy was assessed the foul as he should have been) is true. So, do I ignore the T for that reason?

 

I would ask why is a T given?

I would ask why is a T given?

 

Because the rulebook says so. The roster given to the scorekeeper has to be entered into the book no later than 10 minutes prior to tip. If after that any change has to be made ie 32 to 23 then a T is assessed.

 

A T is assessed to the head coach.

No T.

 

Okay, then I'm going to take it a hypothetical step further. Say the starting 5 come back out in their normal white. But, the first girl off the bench is wearing pink. Obviously a uniform violation, and a T would be assessed, correct (sort of like the hair bands)? But, what about the next girl off the bench? If she's wearing white, then no problem. But, if she's wearing pink, then would another T be assessed? Can officials rule only on the players who have entered the game? Or can they look at the bench too?

 

I'm sort of dovetailing the jersey number snafu with the headband issue. If a player never enters the game, but has the wrong jersey number written down (or maybe even completely omited!)...can a T be issued? Likewise, if a girl is wearing a green headband, when everyone else is wearing yellow...but she never gets off the bench, is that still a violation?

Okay, then I'm going to take it a hypothetical step further. Say the starting 5 come back out in their normal white. But, the first girl off the bench is wearing pink. Obviously a uniform violation, and a T would be assessed, correct (sort of like the hair bands)? But, what about the next girl off the bench? If she's wearing white, then no problem. But, if she's wearing pink, then would another T be assessed? Can officials rule only on the players who have entered the game? Or can they look at the bench too?

 

I'm sort of dovetailing the jersey number snafu with the headband issue. If a player never enters the game, but has the wrong jersey number written down (or maybe even completely omited!)...can a T be issued? Likewise, if a girl is wearing a green headband, when everyone else is wearing yellow...but she never gets off the bench, is that still a violation?

 

Only one T is assessed regardless of how many uniform violations there are.

You can only assess for players that enter the game.

Because the rulebook says so. The roster given to the scorekeeper has to be entered into the book no later than 10 minutes prior to tip. If after that any change has to be made ie 32 to 23 then a T is assessed.

 

A T is assessed to the head coach.

 

Then my question would be: Why does the rulebook say so? And my answer is that it effects the game, because it disrupts communication between the officials & the officials' scorekeeper. Would you agree with that--that this is why the rule exists that they assess the T?

Then my question would be: Why does the rulebook say so? And my answer is that it effects the game, because it disrupts communication between the officials & the officials' scorekeeper. Would you agree with that--that this is why the rule exists that they assess the T?

 

Officials aren't in the business of asking "why" a rule exists.

 

Technically, I guess you can make your argument. However, to the bigger point, it has no impact on the play on the floor just like the pink jerseys have no impact. Doesn't matter. Still have to follow the rulebook.

 

The communication disruption for this is no different than when a scorekeeper has the sounded because he has a question.