NL MVP Ryan Braun tests positive for PEDs

stickymitts · December 13, 2011

Braun is a cheat, period. 50 games it too light for these guys. If you are dumb enough to take PED's at this point you should get a year.

How do you know this?

**woodsrider** · December 13, 2011

^ They tested him twice.

Hearing second test may have been negative. Check out this article by Jonah Keri:

What Do We Really Know About Ryan Braun?

That says the second test came from Braun's side. Whatever he took to make it positive for the first test was probably out of his system by the time the second test was taken.

Jayson Stark was on Mike and Mike this morning and said that Braun's first test came back with testosterone levels 3x anyone else ever tested. Braun requested a second test and it came back normal. It was unclear to me whether Stark said Braun's people had the second test done or if MLB did.

**formerkywrestler** · December 13, 2011

Jayson Stark was on Mike and Mike this morning and said that Braun's first test came back with testosterone levels 3x anyone else ever tested. Braun requested a second test and it came back normal. It was unclear to me whether Stark said Braun's people had the second test done or if MLB did.

There seems to be enough doubt here for Braun to have his day in court before anyone rushes to judgement. One thing I got from Keri's article is Braun's failed test was leaked before they normally are...

**woodsrider** · December 13, 2011

I looked at Braun's stats for his career and either he has been using since day 1 or like I have always maintained, PED's in baseball don't really make a difference.

**HammerTime** · December 13, 2011

^ Seriously? Looks at Bonds, Sosa, and McGuire. You can't possibly say it didn't help their numbers. Clemons gaining MPH on his fastball in his late 30's?

**woodsrider** · December 13, 2011

^ Seriously? Looks at Bonds, Sosa, and McGuire. You can't possibly say it didn't help their numbers. Clemons gaining MPH on his fastball in his late 30's?

At what point in each's career did they start using?

**HammerTime** · December 13, 2011

At what point in each's career did they start using?

For Sosa in around 98 I would guess. HRs went from 36 (in 97) to 66,63,50,64

For McGuiwire around 96. His HRs went from 39 (In 95) to 52,58,70,65

Who knows when they started. But I do find those numbers kind of odd.

Newman · December 13, 2011

At what point in each's career did they start using?

For Bonds it was about the time his head started growing.

**HammerTime** · December 13, 2011

Clemens ERA by age...

35-2.65

36-4.60

37-3.70

38-3.51

39-4.35

40-3.91

41-2.98

42-1.87 Lowest of Career

43-2.30

44-4.18

Nothing strange about the ERA drop after age 40 at all.

Newman · December 13, 2011

How do you know this?

How I know what? That he is a cheat?

Newman · December 13, 2011

Clemens ERA by age...

35-2.65

36-4.60

37-3.70

38-3.51

39-4.35

40-3.91

41-2.98

42-1.87 Lowest of Career

43-2.30

44-4.18

Nothing strange about the ERA drop after age 40 at all.

He took them no doubt about it. Just like 80% of the league. Canseco was accurate with his number.

**woodsrider** · December 13, 2011

For Sosa in around 98 I would guess. HRs went from 36 (in 97) to 66,63,50,64

For McGuiwire around 96. His HRs went from 39 (In 95) to 52,58,70,65

Who knows when they started. But I do find those numbers kind of odd.

I'm still doing some research but I will say that HR's have been on the incline every year in MLB. Guys are bigger, faster, and stronger now. With or without PED's.

dmderringer10 · December 13, 2011

I'm still doing some research but I will say that HR's have been on the incline every year in MLB. Guys are bigger, faster, and stronger now. With or without PED's.

That's just false.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/9/21/1045928/total-mlb-home-runs-this-century

2011: 4552

2010: 4613

The chart, along with the most current two years...

**HammerTime** · December 13, 2011

I'm still doing some research but I will say that HR's have been on the incline every year in MLB. Guys are bigger, faster, and stronger now. With or without PED's.

First row is AL

Second row is NL

Third is both

4 is the year.

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[TD=bgcolor: #FFFFCC]2,164[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #FFFFCC]1,917[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #FFFFCC]4,081[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #FFFFCC]1995[/TD]

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[TD=bgcolor: #FFFFCC]2,742[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #FFFFCC]2,220[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #FFFFCC]4,962[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #FFFFCC]1996[/TD]

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[TD=bgcolor: #FFFFCC]2,477[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #FFFFCC]2,163[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #FFFFCC]4,640[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #FFFFCC]1997[/TD]

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[TD=bgcolor: #FFFFCC]2,496[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #FFFFCC]2,568[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #FFFFCC]5,064[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #FFFFCC]1998[/TD]

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[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce]2,635[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce]2,893[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce]5,528[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce]1999[/TD]

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[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce]2,688[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce]3,005[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce]5,693[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce]2000[/TD]

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[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce]2,506[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce]2,952[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce]5,458[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce]2001[/TD]

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[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce] 2,464

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[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce]2,595[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce]5,059[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce]2002[/TD]

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[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce]2,499[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce]2,708[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce]5,207[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce]2003[/TD]

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[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce, align: center]2,846[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce, align: center]5,451[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #f3e9ce, align: center]2004[/TD]

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