I didn't use discriminatory as a race thing. I meant it as I would be equally mad at whomever did the killing. I find it ridiculous that you, or anyone else, seriously believes that you would make the distinction (i.e., that you would discriminate) between whether the killer was a US citizen or not.

 

You think it is unfathomable for me to get mad that an individual was found out that he/she were an illegal and nothing happened to him and they were let go and then he was drunk and ran a stop sign and hit a family member of mine and kills them? I'm sorry but I would seriously be frustrated that a person was killed by an individual that shouldn't be here in the first place, ESPECIALLY when they were already caught and nothing happened.

You think it is unfathomable for me to get mad that an individual was found out that he/she were an illegal and nothing happened to him and they were let go and then he was drunk and ran a stop sign and hit a family member of mine and kills them? I'm sorry but I would seriously be frustrated that a person was killed by an individual that shouldn't be here in the first place, ESPECIALLY when they were already caught and nothing happened.

 

You're missing the point. I think it's unfathomable that you would draw the distinction between legal and illegal in the face of the unfathomable anger that would overcome you if a loved one was murdered. I think that your emotions would prevent you from making such a rational distinction. The distinction over illegal v. legal would come waaaaayyyyy after the fact, if at all.

I have a hard time believing that. If a loved one was murdered, my anger wouldn't be discriminatory.

I would be equally mad at the killer. But the anger would be much wider and would include the authority figures who are chose to do nothing which led to the death.

You're missing the point. I think it's unfathomable that you would draw the distinction between legal and illegal in the face of the unfathomable anger that would overcome you if a loved one was murdered. I think that your emotions would prevent you from making such a rational distinction. The distinction over illegal v. legal would come waaaaayyyyy after the fact, if at all.

 

Well, with all due respect, I don't think you would have any idea as to how I would feel. I think that is a stupid statement. That anger would last for only a little bit and then you would think logically and reasonably. I get upset when I see an individual that has died on the news by an illegal who has been previously deported or caught and nothing happened to the illegal when they were caught in the first place. A person lost their life because, why? You don't think it could of been preventable? If a family member was murdered do you not think you would ask yourself why? Who killed them? What reason? I think you are being extremely politically correct and no where near realistic.

Well, with all due respect, I don't think you would have any idea as to how I would feel. I think that is a stupid statement. That anger would last for only a little bit and then you would think logically and reasonably. I get upset when I see an individual that has died on the news by an illegal who has been previously deported or caught and nothing happened to the illegal when they were caught in the first place. A person lost their life because, why? You don't think it could of been preventable? If a family member was murdered do you not think you would ask yourself why? Who killed them? What reason? I think you are being extremely politically correct and no where near realistic.

 

With all due respect, I don't think you do either unless you were put in that situation. So I'll stand by my statement that I don't believe you would be emotionally capable of make such a distinction in the face of the horrific prospect of a loved one being murdered. It's arrogant for you to think otherwise, and it seems obvious you are impressing your ideological beliefs upon an uncontrollable situation. Political correctness has nothing to do with it. Anger is anger, and it knows no ideology.

Drunk guy driving home. Pulled over by cop. Cop says guy needs to go the half-mile home and let's him go. Drunk guy kills my family member. I'm going to be twice as mad. Mad at the drunk + mad at the cop because he should have prevented the death. Same applies to government if an illegal kills a family member. I don't really get the argument Jim. .

With all due respect, I don't think you do either unless you were put in that situation. So I'll stand by my statement that I don't believe you would be emotionally capable of make such a distinction in the face of the horrific prospect of a loved one being murdered. It's arrogant for you to think otherwise, and it seems obvious you are impressing your ideological beliefs upon an uncontrollable situation. Political correctness has nothing to do with it. Anger is anger, and it knows no ideology.

 

I'm going on a limb here so bare with me. I have this crazy notion that, despite never being in that situation, I would have a bit better knowledge as to how I would react. I'm just basing that off of me being myself and you being a person who has never met me. Its arrogant for you to say or act like you would have the slightest idea as to how I would react.

Drunk guy driving home. Pulled over by cop. Cop says guy needs to go the half-mile home and let's him go. Drunk guy kills my family member. I'm going to be twice as mad. Mad at the drunk + mad at the cop because he should have prevented the death. Same applies to government if an illegal kills a family member. I don't really get the argument Jim. .

 

Good analogy.

With all due respect, I don't think you do either unless you were put in that situation. So I'll stand by my statement that I don't believe you would be emotionally capable of make such a distinction in the face of the horrific prospect of a loved one being murdered. It's arrogant for you to think otherwise, and it seems obvious you are impressing your ideological beliefs upon an uncontrollable situation. Political correctness has nothing to do with it. Anger is anger, and it knows no ideology.

 

You are wrong if you don't think that someone can't make the distinction between murder and what they consider preventable murder. Talk to someone who works with grief therapy, they'll confirm it happens. Same way with accidental deaths.

That number is a tad staggering. Not sure if I fully believe it. Regardless though, I can see where this problem leaves a lot of people upset (myself included). At the root of it, these are deaths that are preventable.

 

Jim, I also don't see where you are coming from with your argument. I greatly respect your opinions on this forum, but in this case I believe you are wrong. As 75Center said, the distinction between murder and preventable murder is quite easy to make and I believe the two have different effects on those involved. I personally believe that I would be more angry if a family member was murdered, or accidentally killed, by someone who should not have been there in the first place. That's JMO though...

 

Plato - Great analogy.

I can see both sides of the arugment here. But for me...every murder is a preventable murder. I have no idea how angry I'd be or at whom, but I'm not sure there would be a distiction based on who killed my loved one.

 

In a related tangent...a young Somalian immigrant I worked with at my previous job was murdered by an American citizen in broad daylight. The American had been making advances toward Karenzo's wife, who rebuffed him. The American harassed Mrs. Aduce constantly...stalking her...trying to get into their apartment...making lewd comments.... The Aduce's were here as a part of the Catholic Refugee Ministries program. They were housed in a pretty horrible housing projet. They went to the managment of the program and arranged for new housing in a different project. Shortly before, the Aduce's called the police on the American, and they arrested him, but let him go later that night. Karenzo was loading up the moving van the next day when the American walked up and shot him 15 times in front of his wife and 3 children, ages 8, 6 and 3. I'm pretty flippin' angry.

It has nothing to do with being discriminatory. It has everything to do with the fact that it could of been preventable.

 

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The White House’s immigration lawyers have issued yet another bureaucratic order that will curb the election-year deportation of illegal immigrants, and perhaps spur the supply of Hispanic voters. http://news.yahoo.com/obama-rolls-back-immigration-enforcement-again-044016729.html

The White House’s immigration lawyers have issued yet another bureaucratic order that will curb the election-year deportation of illegal immigrants, and perhaps spur the supply of Hispanic voters. http://news.yahoo.com/obama-rolls-back-immigration-enforcement-again-044016729.html

 

So that I do not misinterpret the point you're making through this article tell me how this helps President Obama with the Hispanics. I can interpret that a couple of ways.